So with all this grey area.. wouldn't you say that "it" is a matter of just and unjust in regards to the ones who already exist in relation to choosin...
And ANs don't think it's right as being shown in real time. I often have to write this with time constraints.. Sorry for confusion.. Put in Y or somet...
Interesting point.. the way the world works, everything has a cost, including the choice not to choose anything. My example is meant to show that life...
I simply mean.. In the Ice Cream example, you can choose NOT to pick anything. In the life example, that isn't an option. Is that just? In the less wi...
I don't mean it in the "meta" way of "don't EVEN have to choose", rather simply option 4. "Don't have to choose".. That option is on the table in the ...
First off, I do that pretty well I think MORE than other people who are more well-liked (known) on this forum. So many people write something and bare...
I just don't need even more aggravation in my life and you can be very aggravating. You're on a righteous cause to "challenge schopenhauer1's view :ro...
In the case of flavors, you can simply choose the option for none of it at all. "No thanks". In the case of life, you cannot choose "no thanks" (only ...
I want to focus on one scenario on a time, and also address you both (three, including Isaac-Khaled complex actually), but don't have time to go over ...
Yes, so we are going to differ on this then. As @"Down The Rabbit Hole" explained, it seems wrong to be doing the imposing in the first place by the e...
My reply is the same as to Isaac's above. I will copy and paste it: Well, the point of this wasn't to show someone's reaction on behalf of others, per...
Well, the point of this wasn't to show someone's reaction on behalf of others, per se, though that can be a possible avenue to explore. What it is ill...
@"Isaac" (khaled and Isaac same person, slightly different writing style? haha.. collusion?) anyways.. @"Bitter Crank" @"TheHedoMinimalist" There are ...
It's about how we assess what "too much" imposition is. Sometimes, a slave for example, might not know how bad they have it objectively, because that'...
Do you think that suicide is easy for people? And do you think the difficulty of doing something like that is a reason why life is then a good thing f...
Interested in your input: Do you think that because someone says they like something at a point in time, it is good to encourage what they like? For e...
Don't be a dickhead. We follow our own ethical guidelines all the time. I didn't say it has to be enforced by an outside entity. You can argue that no...
Are we measuring whether someone makes a statement at a point in time that “All burdens that happened, currently exist, and will exist are fine and da...
Yeah, but both versions seem to be used historically. So, if evil as defined by "natural evil" is still on the table (and generally this is defined as...
No it was to the extent I explained it. That is to say, we evolved capacities that make us suffer more than other animals. Those capacities that helpe...
Yes I was explaining this to another poster. What if "most people" want something that isn't good for them? You just automatically give them this? Wha...
So you need three to tango, eh? So as a meta-meta explanation, why does this logic cohere by necessity? Then of course, what brought about this necess...
There are a lot of considerations here. If someone thought something harmful was actually good for them, does that change things or is purely up to so...
Well, no one suffers not living. I don't have any argument against giving someone money or a gift, even if they weren't expecting it. I just don't agr...
So you are saying the complexities and known harms of life are the same as giving someone a million dollars? If most people want something that has al...
Granted. But let's make this more interesting.. You are convinced most people would like the "feelings of accomplishment" or at least the "feelings of...
I think that is my point. As long as suffering is in the package, it doesn't matter what the other part of the package is. It is already not suited to...
No not really: Evil is a cause of human suffering. There are two types of evil: moral evil - the acts of humans which are considered to be morally wro...
Constructivism for social science is one thing.. Constructivism (or a form of it) for an answer to what experience is, metaphysically, is another. You...
Yes, I agree with all of this. Notice you said, "Once you're born, the logic of ethics changes." So why create this situation in the first place for s...
Zapffe's point was a little bit different than mine, but related. You have to read him in the full context. His was more about our general awareness o...
Right, but at what percentage does the minority get discounted? And what kind of phenomena does this apply more strongly? A color to a house and a hum...
Again, this is the same problem with the Golden Rule, not everyone wants done to them what you would want done to you or its inverse (not done to them...
Living almost always involves work (at least maintenance) and certainly suffering. I am not sure what you are asking. You can prevent work and sufferi...
Well, I think this goes even deeper to the problem with the Golden Rule argument (What you do not want done to you, do not do to another).. There are ...
I'm not sure I'm trying to do that. In our back-and-forths, due to you wanting me to provide a one-size-fits-all heuristic as a basis for my AN, I do ...
Evil in the sense of moral evil is more to do with intent I would agree. But in terms of people suffering, I wouldn't call it "evil" for people to wan...
Talking about the very common historical usage of Natural Evil: https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zhmhgk7/revision/1 But no, I don't consider it n...
We can make a distinction between "Suffering is evil" and "Making someone suffer unnecessarily is evil". Even as an ardent antinatalist, I don't think...
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