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Agreed!

I don’t see why not. Let’s put it this way, is it right to perform an action knowing that that action will lead to suffering for another person, and i...

I am saying that if you retain that all suffering is evil, and life entails suffering, then we can prevent evil by not procreating. The key here is wh...

That is just false. I can prevent a future suffering by not doing X. That is not a false statement. Alleviating suffering does not need to be only pre...

The problem is the Cartesian monistic subject = the Peircean triadic model. If it's equivalent functionally, what does it matter? One calls it a hydro...

Perhaps then, since life as we know it entails evil it is evil to make more of it. Then the widecast net might be correct, but it just encompasses the...

The suffering is 100.. By adding another person, it becomes 120 let's say.. You have prevented that 20 addition that would have been suffered by someo...

@"180 Proof" @"darthbarracuda" I guess the question restated is, that if we know the usual manner in which we need to survive, why is a life with work...

@"darthbarracuda" Other Schopenhauer quotes that I think are relevant here:

Schopenhauer's explanation:

Yes, this can be a form of self-torture. But in a way, I am practicing what I preach. Consolation regarding our lot/condition, catharsis through dialo...

Yes, Schop by most accounts, was more content with the fame he was receiving towards the end of his life, almost a vindication after being cast aside....

While I agree, you make it seem as if other animals have the capacity for this kind of exponential cultural expansion. They don't. As you state, we ha...

Other animals don’t self talk any more than we use echo location to find food. It is a very specific kind of internal linguistic ability. Anyways, To ...

You’re probably misinterpreting me. Contra other animals, humans strive to (or need to) find balance.

Yes, I’m giving an account specifically of how human cognition is especially the problem. The fact that I can point to this and explain it is signific...

See my responses above as it addresses your confusion..I’ll put the most salient one below.

We’ve achieved balance, damnit! . I don’t think other animals “find” balance. Not in the way humans must do. Because of this inability, we are miserab...

Yes Schop’s denial of the Will. But I think even he thought this was reserved for the few who had the ascetic character to do so. The rest of us have ...

Phase 1: Cynical comment on human misery: "Yes, what great non-paradise conditions we are born into as humans". Phase 2: Pessimist answer: If not para...

All I'm saying is that we are given the burden of, "If I don't want this, I have to do that.. but I don't want to do that". There's bad decision-makin...

But Cuba.

God intended nothing other than survival, maintenance, and contingent harms along the way. You’re on your own for entertainment.

Hence my use of “state of affairs”. It is sub species aeternatatis. You are either being intellectually dishonest or you are truly not understanding m...

About me? Don’t see where you get that but okie dokie.

So @"Tom Storm" indicated that “ends justifies means” reasoning. You are assuming that the collateral damage of stress and work is okay to impose for ...

So an individual choosing to not procreate is all that? Misleading and false characterization. How is simply not procreating “damaging”? Quite the con...

It does and hence there is the first political thing to tackle. What do you do when a practice is unfair or unjust or unempathetic or cruel? Stop it. ...

A world with no people is still a state of affairs where no one feels stress.. So it isn't a world of fantasy. The world in fact existed billions of y...

Exactly. Any person born into the world will have to work. Is that a fair decision on someone else's behalf? Let's chuck any argument with the non-ide...

This is inauthentic. Once humans develop the capacity to "reason" or "find reasons" rather, most waking decisions are not "automatic striving for life...

You can stop at, "There is a state of affairs where there is no one who feels stress". That is not existing in the first place.

Ha, well, you know my answer though. If we can't find a way out of it, why put people in it? As I said to another poster, if people liking X thing (wo...

I find it funny how it is all a big raucous, work, life etc. All needing to be maintained. How about the goal of not spreading more work and stress vi...

A parent. Well, I am trying to find some standard here as to the ethical weight of forcing something else to work-in-order to X (survive, maintain, en...

Sort of. Rather, is it ethical to choose for someone else a state of affairs whereby they must "work" and "feel stress" and do so when there was no ne...

But should you decide that for someone else if the “like work” preferences are contingent and stochastic? I’ll even grant you the notion that if you c...

So if the choice was between no one existing and creating someone who must do X work to survive, maintain, entertain, what would yo do?

When was the last time you made your own argument and not just chiming in pro or con on someone else's claim?

Yes, organism is aligned.. just makes no sense. You aren't explaining it either.

What does "aligned with survival and being alive" mean?

Again, this doesn't make sense to me.

Oh that sounds like spiritual stuff.

I just don't get what you are saying here, especially when you mention "complicit".

That isn't answering how it is right to allow impositions on someone else's behalf. Urge to procreate isn't the same as dire urges that lead to death....

So if there could be a state of affairs where no one feels stress, and one where there was, would you pick the one where the was on someone else's beh...

But how about forcing someone into a situation where they have to work in the first place? So if someone is exploding fireworks everyday at 2am, upset...

So you weren't seeing my line of argument then. You said that "It's what humans do".. But you cannot hide justifications behind such a naturalistic fa...

So about that, a theme I've been toying with for a little bit is the idea that humans have the extra burden having to justify (or make excuses) for wh...

If life was all retirement.. But you see we need to create some sort of excuse for why people need to be put in situations that aren't retirement... "...