Metaphysician Undercover

It's a move in the wrong direction. The issue which you are looking at is not a matter of uneducated people voting, it is a matter of apathy, which re...

I didn't ask for proof regarding the type/token distinction, I asked for proof of your assumption that a person cannot experience the same token of a ...

At this point Aristotle explains how Plato differs from the Pythagoreans. Plato assumed a duality (dyad), of sensible objects, and ideas, as two disti...

Description can only go so far in providing for prediction. It used to be the case, that prediction was the means of validating the hypothesis (descri...

Yeah, right, that would be ideal. We really should have done that right from the start, locked down all the infectious people, allowing all the health...

Aren't the unvaccinated about four times more likely to get infected? Whatever the statistics show exactly, it's just math and probabilities.

The invasion of probability is due to the reliance on mathematics rather than description.

Perhaps you could provide a reference as to where Aristotle refers to Plato's metaphysics as being concerned with an "indeterminate" dyad. "Indetermin...

OK, if you want to switch to Aristotle's metaphysics, let's do that then. But why title the thread "Plato's Metaphysics"? Aristotle demonstrated that ...

Hahaha. Once you forget it, there is no such thing as forgetting that you forgot it, because that would require remembering it, to remember that you f...

That the world is indeterminate is not a Platonic principle.

I will take issue with the term "indeterminate" used here. As Socrates describes in The Philebus, The combination of the two parts of what you call a ...

That though, is debatable. All that is required to dispel the nonsense is an extensive reading of Plato's material. However, this is not an effortless...

I didn't say anything about a "private meaning". I don't know what you're talking about here, and can only assume that you misunderstood what was said...

You are conflating two distinct forms of possibility, and misleading yourself.

As I've repeated numerous times now, you've provided nothing to support this assertion. You are claiming two distinct types of tokens, ones which can ...

Those are examples of getting service from the place where that service is made available. They are not examples of discrimination based on education.

Yes, I think this is similar to what I was getting at. Casting Plato as someone who has made a pledge of secrecy to some sort of Pythagorean cult, is ...

I have thought about it, that's why it took me three days to reply. The thing is that I am not a strong proponent of democracy, for the reasons outlin...

I am against discrimination on the basis of education. One's capacity to be educated is somewhat dependent on socioeconomic conditions so an individua...

The reason why this is a difficult subject, with a lack of consensus as to the nature of reality, is because we have a very deficient understanding of...

Thanks for the link, but as soon as I read this "Plato, primarily as a proponent of Pythagorean philosophical doctrines,2 was very careful with what h...

Thanks Wayfarer, I thought I was reading the thread, but I must have skimmed over, or forgotten that part. I'm going to express my opinion below. I be...

I studied Plato a lot, and never heard of an indeterminate dyad. What is it, like "matter" in Timaeus?

[ So, which is it? Can a person encounter the same token more than one time or not? Or are you saying that a person can see the same token more than o...

And, the point I 've been trying to make (unsuccessfully it appears), is that this is a misreading. Wittgenstein proceeds from a brief description of ...

Where is your proof? You continue with this unsupported assertion. If I see a chair, and someone takes the chair away, then brings the very same chair...

You appear to be missing the point Luke. If the same token of a chair can come and go many times, relative to my conscious experience, then why can't ...

To say that you can't vote if you don't have high school equivalence is discrimination based on education. Why good for life? What about the senile ol...

You mean the unknowns have been listed? Are you sure of that?

How can you think that such discrimination could be democratic? We'd have a 'democracy', but only those who pass a specially designed test would be al...

Well we're right back to the same point. I thought you said "Let’s suppose you are right and that Wittgenstein is talking only about a single particul...

Right, but the diarist believes that the sensation is the very same what you call "token". That's why it receives the same name. It's not a type being...

That is not problematic. What's problematic is the criterion by which you say that the next sensation is the same sensation. It's just like the exampl...

That is what you presume, But it is not what Wittgenstein was saying. He is drawing our attention to a way of speaking in which we refer to internal, ...

You don't get it Luke, Wittgenstein is not talking about types or tokens. "Every time" is clearly meant as every time the person has the sensation, ju...

I'm fully aware of the type/token distinction, and as I said you are incorrect. You didn't seem to notice that he says "a particular sensation", which...

When I use "the" in front of the word, in normal conversation, such as "the hammer", "the chair", as Wittgenstein does with "the sensation", I am refe...

I think that because the precise nature of "the noble lie" is not well established by Plato, it is just sort of allowed for in principle, through ment...

Then why does he repeatedly say "the sensation", and he ends this section with "And why a 'particular sensation,' that is, the same one every time?"? ...

I don't see your point, he's differentiating between one object which is the same, and two objects which are identical. So he's talking about both, an...

I did, the same chair recurs to me day after day, week after week. There is no impossibility here.

His terms are "a certain sensation", "the sensation", "a sensation", "a particular sensation". Imagine if he started with "a certain chair", and proce...

The actual format of the noble lie is a little difficult to distinguish, because Plato wants everyone to be fooled by it. I understood it as supportin...

But we disagree on "the point of the PLA". I think the point is that no language can correctly identify sensations, not just the private language. Sur...

According to what I described above, Wittgenstein's PLA, 253-270, demonstrates very clearly that one can never be certain concerning one's own sensati...

I'm sure that religions can be influential, and that they can be judged, but I'm not sure as to what you would mean by "confirmable". The point I was ...

Can we agree that "a religion" might be defined as "an ideology"? How can an ideology be something factual?

I really don't see any sort of systematic "denial of historical fact" which you are so bent on. We do not need to go back, 1500, or more years to find...

This is the root of the problem right here. "Correct" is determined through public justification, making "correct" whatever obtains social consensus. ...