Yep, and this is an important point. It's incredibly common for people to assume that one necessarily receives an accurate answer when they ask an LLM...
Regarding the nature of a contextless AI utterance: If there is no arguer, then there is no one to argue with. If we found a random piece of anonymous...
Right, and therefore we must ask the question: Why is it aesthetic, and how does calling it 'aesthetic' provide us with an answer to the question of "...
The reason I would disagree at a fairly fundamental level is because, in effect, they have no bodies. They are not doing anything. "Navigating the spa...
I agree, depending on the context. In more specialized areas they simply repeat the common misconceptions. Yeah, that's fair. It could improve standar...
I want to add that in philosophy appeals to authority require transparency. So if I appeal to Locke as an authority, a crucial part of the appeal is t...
Yeah, I agree. Part of the issue here is that although Buber recognizes that one can interact with what is essentially an 'it' in an I-Thou manner, it...
Okay, that's a fair and thoughtful argument. :up: "There are no authoritative generalists," says Janus. Of course I think that first sentence should r...
So are you saying that chatbots possess the doxastic component of intelligence but not the conative component? It seems to me that what generally happ...
Regarding plagiarism, I think it's worth trying to understand the most obvious ways in which the problem deviates from a problem of plagiarism. First,...
Makes sense to me. :up: Obviously the piece that I think must be addressed is whether or not posts can be entirely AI-dependent even when the proper a...
Yes, that is a good way to phrase it in a positive rather than negative sense. A fair point! :blush: I don't like the referee analogy, but I understan...
Someone I've recently stumbled upon who addresses this in detail and in an accessible way is Nathan Jacobs. For example, "The most important question,...
Yeah, I think that's right. I think a lot of it comes back to this point in my first post: If we don't know why we want to engage in human-to-human co...
This scenario can be set up rather easily. First we just take a long, effortful post from or . Then we continue: Member: **Ask LLM to provide an exten...
Yes, that's true, and I definitely agree that one should not plagiarize LLM content, passing it off as their own. I suppose the question is whether on...
I think this is good advice: The mind engages most deeply what it is interested in, so it is best to begin with what you are already interested in. It...
A huge aspect of this is the nature of appeals to authority, and given that TPF has an anti-religious bent, many of the members have not thought very ...
What was being argued was that the research required to put together an idea is tedious and outsourceable, and that what one should do is outsource th...
To be clear, my approach would be pretty simple. It is not concerned with plagiarism, but with the outsourcing of one's thinking, and it is not implem...
Okay, we agree on this. I tried to argue against appeal-to-LLM arguments in two recent posts, here and here. In general I would argue that LLMs are a ...
Another aspect of this is scarcity. LLM content is not scarce in the way human content is. I can generate a thousand pages of LLM "philosophy" in a fe...
- Some examples of accounts that have been given in the past are spiritual accounts and also genetic accounts. The basic idea is that humankind is mor...
- The context here is a philosophy forum where humans interact with other humans. The premise of this whole issue is that on a human philosophy forum ...
...a similar argument could be given from a more analytic perspective, although I realize it is a bit hackneyed. It is as follows: -- The communal dan...
Tradition is not infallible; it's just better than most things. Humans are intelligent; they do things for reasons; the things they do over and over t...
Good stuff. The "undetectability" argument turns back on itself in certain respects. Suppose AI-use is undetectable. Ex hypothesi, this means that AI-...
- I think the ontological reality would ground juridical judgments, such as those in question. In traditional, pre-Reformation Christianity God does n...
I would agree. I would want to say that, for philosophy, thinking is an end in itself, and therefore cannot be outsourced as a means to some further e...
So we are allowed to write entire posts that are purely AI-generated content, or to simply cite AI as evidence that something is true, so long as we a...
The point is that you've outsourced the drafting of the guidelines to AI. Whether or not drafting forum guidelines is a tedious, sub-human task is a s...
This looks to be a false etymology. The Latin fides and the Slavic vera are both translations of the Greek pistis, and vera primarily means faith, not...
Well that sentence about "standing athwart" was meant to apply to Kierkegaard generally, but I think Fragments is a case in point. The very quote I ga...
No worries. Yes, good. That is one of the questions that comes up. That's an interesting theory, with a lot of different moving parts. I'm not sure ho...
Well, they could read the secondary source. That's what I would usually mean when I talk about consulting a secondary source. Okay, but remember that ...
True, and that's because there is no such thing as an ad hominem fallacy against your AI authority. According to the TPF rules as I understand them, y...
But it is, as I've shown . You drew a conclusion based on the AI's response, and not based on any cited document the AI provided. Therefore you appeal...
I am pointing out that all you have done is appealed to the authority of AI, which is precisely something that most everyone recognizes as a danger (e...
But you didn't read the papers it cited, and you , "So yes, I overstated my case. You may be able to recognise posts as AI generated at a slightly bet...
We both know that the crux is not unenforceability. If an unenforceable rule is nevertheless expected to be heeded, then there is no argument against ...
You wouldn't see this claim as involving false equivalence? No, not really. There are primary sources, there are secondary sources, there are search e...
This is a good point. I don't think this is right. It separates the thinking of an idea from the having of an idea, which doesn't make much sense. If ...
I think it goes back to telos: What is the end/telos? Of a university? Of a philosophy forum? Universities have in some ways become engines for econom...
:up: :fire: :up: I couldn't agree more, and I can't but help think that you are something like the prophet whose word of warning will inevitably go un...
So if you use someone else's words to do philosophy, you are usually appealing to them as an authority. The same thing is happening with LLMs. This wi...
But is your argument sound? If you have a group of people argue over a topic and then you appoint a person to summarize the arguments and produce a wo...
Isn't it a bit ironic to have AI write the AI rules for the forum? This is the sort of appeal-to-LLM-authority that I find disconcerting, where one us...
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