We definitely agree on this. :up: I was trying to get at the underlying way that "moral non-naturalism" is being leveraged within this thread. One can...
But your side of the issue does the exact same thing. There are many different issues being discussed in the thread, but I believe this line of yours ...
Pointing to books or threads is gish gallop and avoidance of engagement. I could equally point you to books or threads demonstrating my own position, ...
What happened is that you contradicted yourself by claiming that an act which is reproductively viable is not better in any way than an act that is no...
@"Banno" is actually contradicting himself with a double standard when he tells you that you can't promote 'oughts' because "ought cannot be derived f...
Okay, and that's a reasonable answer. :up: Because you keep changing the subject to avoid answering difficult questions. For example, you didn't even ...
Okay, supposing for the sake of argument that that is true, then the analogy is only analogous to 2-3% of abortions. My point is that an analogy that ...
Let's stay on topic for a moment in a thread that seems to move quickly from topic to topic.* Is an analogy valid if it is disanalogous in 95% of the ...
Yep, great points. 's claim that anyone who calls someone "degenerate" must be a bigot is false. The irony is that it is often the people using the wo...
Okay, interesting. I was intentionally prescinding from such theories, given that they are speculative academic musings. Whether or not anything the s...
No? Wouldn't you say that someone who does something that is more reproductively advantageous is better at reproducing than someone who doesn't (ceter...
Well, if you are thinking of death as a natural event, then I don't see the difference between 3 and 4. Alternatively, if God gives a gift that allows...
Well, would you concede that coitus is more reproductively advantageous than anal sex, and therefore better insofar as the reproduction of the species...
- I think is arguing from natural evils rather than moral evils: I touched on the same sort of thing here: --- What I would say is that @"Bob Ross"' O...
Why not? Do you have any arguments, or only assertions? Given your continual lack of argumentation and philosophical engagement, I will guess at your ...
- I myself do not see how discussing the nature of AI is off-topic in threads about whether AI should be banned, or in threads on how AI should be use...
It’s a wonderful excerpt, deeply relevant to our own time. Kierkegaard points out the way that Christianity has raised the eyes of man, but also notes...
There is a moral arbiter here, but you've not identified him. He is the one always working behind the scenes to try to censor the things he disagrees ...
Up to this point in your post I had nothing to disagree with. :up: I think you're tripped up here insofar as you are implicitly saying, "One way we in...
That's right. The key is that humans mean things by words, but LLMs do not, and a neural net does not change that. Computers are not capable of manipu...
Because I do not think non-males impregnate. Do you? Females (or if you like, women) do not beget/impregnate, but are rather impregnated. The small, m...
- Suppose we take the male sex and the social role of begetting/impregnating. Begetting is not merely a social role, but it is also a social role. If ...
Authentic intelligence is generally seen as triadic, whereas computers are reductively dyadic. As C. S. Peirce or Walker Percy argue, a meaning-sign i...
An excerpt from the article: This is good, and tracks what many of us have been saying. The article has a good focus on verifying and understanding th...
@"Jamal", @"Baden" - This could be a good compromise position to take while sorting out the issue of whether or in what way AI quotations are permissi...
I think these are just the basic ways we should expect people to be mislead by LLMs, such as imputing "deliberate deceit." The notion of deceit is par...
There are some groups of secular people who have imbibed certain moral/social doctrines in a quasi-religious way. In religious contexts a central dogm...
But isn't this just an ad hoc reason if one has no idea why they prefer humans? One can make arbitrary rules, but they don't usually last very long. E...
That's a thin dismissal, void of any real argument or engagement. Beyond that, not a few have pointed out that your own approach is very limited in it...
I think its at least good that you are enunciating the claim which floats in the background, and which many are afraid to make outright. Similarly, I ...
I agree that the flaws you identify make Wittgenstein a poor example in certain ways. That is, I think Wittgenstein's texts are more "dead" than bette...
The reason I think this is off target could be seen by looking at Plato's dialogues. If what Wittgenstein or you say were correct, then classic texts ...
A good point. If "masculine" and "feminine" are just socially constructed roles, then one must dispense with the idea that such things represent two h...
Yeah, I think that is correct: - Association has a causal component. For the example given, the association will only occur within a mind that has ass...
It looks as though you are relying on the inference <If Penner holds that it is false that there is little of value in the explicitly Christian charac...
@"Fire Ologist"'s argument would still obtain, even on your presupposition. This is because there is a crucial difference between being completely una...
I am acutely aware of the incoherence of my intentional state when I am using an LLM. It's a bit like when you wake up from a very strange dream, and ...
Yes, this is the thesis that would need to be argued. It is the very question at hand. I think this is a false equivalence. Drawing conclusions about ...
Can you give the source to the quotations you are using? You have to define what you mean by a cause if this conversation is to go anywhere. If you th...
Not everyone agrees that Ouija boards do not work. In any case, that's much my point: an LLM is like a Ouija board, except that it "works." It is a ma...
I forget exactly why I was digging around for your technoethics essay, but my guess is that it was related to all of this AI business. The issues that...
Thank you. I think this is a highly underappreciated point. :up: Although I have been harping on the dangers of making the decision-making too democra...
I would say that the crux is that the AI afficionado is reliant upon a self-deception or a lie, and he wishes it to spread. The lie has various manife...
I want to say that you are using "argument" in a special sense here. You avoid the term later on: I would just call this a form of reasoning by onesel...
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