Okay, good. But we could still pare down that word "liar" in the way I pared down "racist" or "Nazi." What is a lie and why is it bad? We could do the...
For me the most interesting question asks from whence the moral disapproval arises. One person thinks black people are inferior to white people; anoth...
Sure, and the claim has never been that the only people who hold Hell to be unjust are universalists of type 1. You keep assuming that premise, but I ...
Yes, and I also think that a 100 minute punishment would violate proportionality in the exact same way. That was my point. I am not saying that it mus...
I agree with all of that, technically speaking. Appealing to what, though? Aquinas has independent reasons to believe that a breach that has not been ...
It does, thanks. That is very similar to my own story. Raised Catholic, fell away in adolescence, became interested in Buddhism and Eastern traditions...
Curiously, I agree entirely with this statement but I think the Scriptures strongly support Hell on balance. For example, Hart's move with aion is ext...
What was saying is that eternal punishment might not take place even if it is not unjust. One does not need to claim that it is unjust in order to arg...
I missed this. To use an analogy, imagine that a pipe breaks and the water that was flowing through it is now flowing out onto the ground. This is an ...
Thanks, that was my guess. That's true, but universalism in the first sense I noted and rejection of Hell really do go hand in hand. They are logicall...
Yes, that is a good argument. :up: There is quite a bit of literature on that objection, most of which I have forgotten. In any case, Aquinas does not...
Okay, but what is the basis of this? Is it something like this? 1a. A punishment which incorporates any form must have as its corresponding offence on...
It would be interesting to see someone try to flesh out this argument. Certainly an eternal punishment is temporally infinite. But what is it about si...
Of course it is. The mods are free to check edit history or whatnot to confirm that no edit was performed. Then as Aristotle pointed out, it must be t...
You have a penchant for ignoring the parts of a post that are more crucial. For example, you said: But you had already ignored the answer given, namel...
That's a pretty standard ad hoc response. If an oak tree is not an acorn's ultimate end, then what is? And who cares whether or not it is "ultimate"? ...
- This is a good example of the basic irrationality involved in so many arguments against classical religion, as well as the intransigence which accom...
"If some acorn does not become an oak tree, then the oak tree cannot logically be the ultimate telos/end of all acorns - for that acorn cannot ever, f...
Okay. It just seems like a separate question from my post, unless you think something from the post elicits or naturally causes that question. Here is...
Why is it risky? You're going on about it all the time. But note that it is fallacious to draw intellectual conclusions from a state of desire. "I ass...
That sounds like Anselm, as Count pointed out. On the issue of Hell and punishment there has been a tectonic shift since the 19th century. See for exa...
Er, no. Did you even read Hart's article? Reading it would remedy much of the confusion in your post, as well as the confusion on TPF. The very fact t...
So you are claiming that food isn't good, it is necessary to survive. But I would point out that people call food good in part because it is necessary...
As a point of reference, Philip Goff moved from atheism to theistic personalism rather than classical theism because he thinks the problem of evil exc...
Saying, “That seems like faulty reasoning to me,” is not a substantial argument. If you want to demonstrate an equivocation, then you must identify th...
Given that one of the essential goals of the program is a lack of transparency, it's not clear to me how one would determine whether it is being used....
Peterson has covered this. See, for example, 57:50 of the Doyle/Linehan interview. Do you have any evidence for the claim that no one is using it? Tha...
Yes, I agree. :up: Right, and I think a big part of this conversation is to repel, "Morality as a set of hypothetical imperatives." That is an importa...
J's premise is that anything that is chosen is choice-worthy (and therefore "good"). Again, this is false, and it results in the fallacy that choice-w...
It would only be voluntary in a corporate sense, "in Adam." Original Sin flows from a choice, namely Adam's choice. Christian metaphysics is going to ...
Right. For the intellectually honest inquirer, this should be basic. If the two terms are to be used interchangeably, then what we have is a definitio...
It's odd that you would include the word "arguably," as it defeats your point. And do you think that the book is choice-worthy because it is interesti...
Isn't that simply part of what pseudoscience means, namely, "Not a science"? Given that you didn't address it, I assume you agree that better represen...
What seems to happen in these discussions is that Hume or @"AmadeusD" or @"J" makes a claim based on an implicit epistemology, namely the claim that (...
I would want to amend this and say that ethics has to do with how we should act. 1. Ethics are to do with how we act 2. Ethics has to do with how we s...
@"Wayfarer" and @"Count Timothy von Icarus" may enjoy a recent piece written by James Ungureanu, "The Perfume of an Empty Vase: The Rise and Fall of E...
The claim that <Such experiences do not yield determinate knowledge> or <Such experience-inferences are unverifiable>. So you don't claim that someone...
Okay, but do we have to distinguish between a duty and a hypothetical imperative? Not every goal of betterment implicates duty. Let me quote the earli...
- That's true, but one could agree with the OP regarding the objectivity of health without going on to agree with Harris' whole project. In fact Harri...
That is a good angle of approach. As I reflect on your post, the first thing that comes to mind is that the whole neo-religious and systematic framing...
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