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It's all explicitly a reply to what you asked.

No. Incompatibilists say "determinism destroys free will". Compatibilists simply say "determinism doesn't destroy free will". They're not (all) saying...

I don't think we have the same understanding of what compatibilism means. A being compatible with B isn't necessarily a claim that B is true. I could ...

yeah

Read the first 4 paragraphs of the op please. "Either we live in a world that evolves towards the future according to strict rules, rules about how th...

I asked you if you know why many of us think systems can either be deterministic, or must be in some part random - why many of us think those are the ...

ok I guess that's a no.

Do you know why a lot of us think the two options are determined or random?

nobody is saying anything like that though. Nobody is saying people decide things before being presented with options. I don't know why that's your qu...

I don't know why that's a question. The question doesn't connect with anything to me. The brain doesn't know ahead of time what it's going to do. That...

I don't have any reason to believe this personally

I'm not sure which part you think is an explanation for how it's not determined and not random.

you mean your explanation in another thread? No but I will if you link to it

I don't think so. Whether it's physical or some other substance is just an implementation detail. That other substance faces the same determined/rando...

exactly. no one diagrees with that. if the starting conditions are different, of course something different will happen. I think some people think tha...

so are you or are you not also rewinding the will when your rewind the physical?

just to be clear, you're imagining a scenario where someone does some action, the physical world is rewound but their mental state, which is supposed ...

yes, I've noticed this huge language disconnect. Some libertarians would actually argue that they could have done otherwise even if everything about t...

I guess part of it is, it's not freedom from, it's freedom to. At any given moment, you have the freedom to do whatever range of things, and which one...

I think there's an interesting way to frame "could have done otherwise". The usual way libertarians frame it - in my experience - is in the way framed...

it's not inappropriate, I just don't want this thread to center on what I think about free will. It'd be like a thread in a basketball forum about how...

is that what I mean by what? The focus of the argument here isn't about compatibilism. Compatibilism is a related interesting side topic. I'm not even...

Seems like you're just ignoring the part where it explicitly is a change in potential energy.

just simply Google "does an object further from earth's center have more potential energy?"

Ok you just be unfamiliar with gravity

I'm not sure about that. The potential energy between two objects *increases* with space. A ball 2m above the surface of the earth is said to have mor...

yeah I think for the most part I align with most of what you said

I saw this thread title today, the day after I saw the (absolutely wonderful) play/musical The Book of Mormon. Serendipitous perhaps. Mormons consider...

I don't even think that solves anything personally. Like, so what, grant them spirits and souls - it's still either the case that a particular decisio...

Perhaps it does have an effect on the void. Space expands and light loses energy as it travels through expanding space. Maybe space expands proportion...

Exactly. If there's randomness, we don't have control of that.

making a new picture from a picture of a dog is an exceedingly different process from recognising that a picture was made from a picture of a dog. I c...

I'm not even sure most people would be able to tell that's based on a dog.

I'm sorry mr Egg, but once again I don't know where this comes from. I don't know what obvious law you're referring to, I don't recall saying anything...

I believe perpetual motion machines are impossible. However, I believe it's completely feasible, depending on how you interpret the phrase, that "moti...

why am i a lying sack of poop?

Are you going to clarify what statement is implied? Am I implying agreement or disagreement with "motion is perpetual without limits", and why?

Sure, I am. I didn't asert anything about whether "motion is perpetual without limits" in that quote. Or maybe you're interpreting that in a way that ...

i don't know

In other words, it seems like you think you're disagreeing with some idea or belief of mine. What belief of mine are you disagreeing with specifically...

If I reply to someone, and they're asking me how my reply relates to what I said, what I'd do is I'd quote the thing they said specifically, possibly ...

you aren't relating what you're saying to anything I said. You aren't even referencing anything I said. How can you possibly explain how these things ...

I need to leave the forum because I'm asking for clarification? That doesn't seem reasonable

I can't think of any reason why you're saying this to me

what does that have to do with anything I said? I don't know why you're saying that. It seems completely out of context.

ok, you have no desire to impart understanding from you to me. I guess that's the end of that then.

yes, a lack of understanding, that's why I'm asking you questions and trying to get you to clarify. Do you want to clarify, or would you prefer it if ...

that doesn't seem simple to me. Seems like there's a huge gap in relating that to what I said. Do you believe that perpetual motion machines are possi...

I can't quite see how this is a response to my post. How do you feel about ramen noodles?

What about friction, heat loss, things like that? When a machine loses energy, it doesn't just lose it into the void, it gets transferred to other thi...