Put aside?? Seems like important stuff to me! :smile: Not sure it's anything we could describe. But I think it's there because, a) I think human consc...
Sez you :grin: I'll tell you what I think about causality asap. Hopefully tomorrow. And everyone reading this who already thinks I'm off my rocker wil...
Hm. I somehow missed your recent post that begins with "Although its been a few days now..." I do everything on my cell phone, so I sometimes miss thi...
Yes, that is my thought. Consciousness is always the same. It's just the subjective awareness of the thing in question. A rock's consciousness is extr...
This is one if the reasons I started this thread. Whether or not my thinking agrees with Harris', I'm sure she's not a substance dualist, so didn't wa...
Of course it's under the conditions it is in. I said that back in this post: "Less heat means less motion, and the hydrogen bonds don't break as easil...
Finally working my way through your post.I'm thinking otherwise. Let's take the world's best AI. We have conversations with AI. It gives us very good ...
I agree with Nagel's view in What is it like to be a bat? Subjective experience. Not simply physical objects and/or processes. What is it like to be a...
H2O's macro physical characteristics, under any conditions, are explained by how's it's micro physical properties behave under those conditions. Every...
Of course. I used H2O to illustrate this. It's solid form floats in its liquid form. Very unusual. And it's because of the ways the molecules are arra...
I agree. I used iron and water to show that, although macro physical characteristics are not identical to the properties of the particles that the mac...
flannel jesus seems to want to say Patterner is claiming the opposite of what he has clearly said more than once, in order to weaken his position. I j...
My position is that it is not. I'm saying subjective experience is in all things. But a rock, for example, doesn't have a mind, so the subjective expe...
Finally got to read your link. No, many things that are true for a whole are not also true of all or some of its parts. But what is true for a whole i...
What I'm thinking is, you wouldn't say: just as particles of (any) X are not "mass". "Proto-consciousness" is the name of the property; not what it do...
At least I get credit for grandiose! :grin: I agree. But I don't see how's that's counter to anything I said. Well, maybe this has to do with the rewr...
While that's true, do you think those big things would have the specific parts that are only intelligible and definable in terms of the whole if the a...
Yes. Processes cannot take place if the properties do not allow them. The properties of iron do not allow it to burn if you put it in your fireplace. ...
I don't currently have the time to respond to you. Work is insane. But I just want to quickly respond to this. Although things are often much unlike t...
Ha! I completely agree. I think this requires a pretty extensive rewrite. I wrote all of this over a fairly long period of time. My views of conscious...
I don't know much about the terminologies. It seems every term has a dozen sub-categiries. Matter and energy are all the same thing, aren't they? It's...
I meant it's only to us that there is meaning in that specific situation. The meaning in any computer coding ultimately reduces to binary. We arranged...
Thanks! I got Harris' audio. Only listened to the preface so far. Doesn't particularly make her sound like a physicalist. So this'll be my commute for...
I've been traveling for a few days. Finally back to this.. I don't know if you guys are talking about the same thing I am. Let me try to describe my t...
How is the the idea of the quick brown fox jumping over the lazy dog a physical description of the squiggles "The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy...
I do not believe it's possible. But if someone says #2 can be described entirely in terms of #1, then that is what they are saying, and I would like t...
The Taj Mahal cannot be described entirely in physical terms. Its coming into existence over a span of 22 years cannot be accounted for without love, ...
Indeed. If consciousness isn't causal, what causes us to write about consciousness? I question the interpretation Libet's study. It seems odd to say t...
I read this long ago in a book called WHY GOD WON'T GO AWAY - Brain Science and the Biology of Belief. It discusses the posterior superior parietal lo...
We can barely have a reasonable discussions about the kind of consciousness we all live with every day. How much more difficult to discuss kinds of co...
You are thinking the thought. There can be no doubt about that. The accuracy of the thought may be doubted, of course. I think I'm watching my laptop ...
Truth Seeker didn't ask for an argument, and I didn't make one. Truth Seeker asked if wish we never existed, and I said No. Yeah, I elaborated for a f...
Ah, if I had a cure, I would be a gajillionaire, eh? And, with your decades of suffering, presumably having tried everything imaginable, and me not be...
That could be. So maybe you're asking because you're trying to find correlations, maybe even causes? I'll stop beating around the bush. I thought mayb...
That's an interesting correlation. Anyway, so you did, indeed, already know that there was someone else on Earth who wished they never existed. Any ot...
I assumed that, having been going through what you've been going through for as long as you've been going through it, you surely knew the answer to th...
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