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Our definitions of consciousness are very different. I don't think there needs to be feedback loops or goal-directed behavior (intent) for there to be...

Thank you for your well-considered response. I've had a very busy last few days, so haven't been able to response yet.

I like your overall view. But I don't know if I understand aspects of it, because I don't see how it solves the HP. Remove me from the process, and vi...

I don't know. We've done very well thinking the world is physical. The problem is in thinking we know all there is to know, and can rule out the possi...

You're absolutely right. And my entire "theory" - the OP of this thread - is that the robot does subjectively experience. Nothing in the universe is m...

The idea is that there is something it is like to be a bat to the bat, but there is nothing it is like to be a table to the table. If there is somethi...

The point is it's not a contradiction. Claiming that two things that aren't contradictory are contradictory doesn't make them contradictory. If only I...

The idea that the physical properties of particles are why particles combine, but are not why certain groups of particles are conscious, is not a cont...

I don't see how it is more of a contradiction than thinking that the properties of the molecules of paint that make it able to be spread on a fence, w...

Are those molecules instantly gone when the organism dies? The physical properties of particles cause them to combine in certain ways under certain ci...

I said the particles in a dead body have the same properties as they had when the body was alive. That may be incorrect. But if so, I don't see how it...

I know. It's ridiculous. I mean, even Google's AI couldn't find a word, as you quoted: Property dualism suggests that while there is only one fundamen...

I'm not talking about the number of properties. I'm talking about the number of kinds of properties. The ones we can detect, manipulate, and measure o...

I don't think so. One substance (that which makes up the universe) has two kinds of properties (physical and experiential). If that's not property dua...

I'm only mentioning the two a) to try to give an idea of what I'm getting at, and b) because I don't know house many we know about. Spin and charm are...

I wonder if direct manipulation of the environment would change things. I also wonder if it would be able to distinguish between directly manipulatiin...

Loving Ch 5 with David Eagleman. Discussing the illusions of what we perceive vs what is actually happening. Hit a button that causes a flash of light...

The corpse's particles all still have the same properties they had when the organism wads alive. I'm not. You're focused on contradicting me, instead ...

I agree with all of this, but I think it has a different explanation. I do not think the physical and conscious properties of what exists can be separ...

Heh. No, you entirely misunderstood me there. But likely I entirely misunderstood what you meant when I asked that. I still don't understand you, but ...

Can either of you explain what I said a couple posts ago? If physical and particles don't exist, why would our minds concoct this interpretation of re...

No. I don't think everything about proto-consciousness necessarily works the same as everything about any other property of particles. The others (at ...

In Until the End of Time: Mind, Matter, and Our Search for Meaning in an Evolving Universe, Brian Greene writes:It goes in both directions. The proper...

What is the reason for thinking matter cannot subjectively experience at one level when we know it subjectively experiences at another level? Why is i...

Proto-consciousness (or just call it consciousness) has no basis in particle physics whatever, and is of a completely different order to the entities ...

This may be right. But maybe not. By and large, humans like interacting with other humans. No matter how human a machine seems, knowing that it's a ma...

:rofl: I'd forgotten that one. Correct. Which is why I think we're dealing with something that does not operate by the laws you're referring to, re ma...

Sorry, can't read your post ATM. But in response to your first sentence:Yes, I can see that. I do believe it's understood in terms of the particles. (...

There is consciousness of a single particle, and, under various circumstances, consciousness of group of particles. I differentiate the two to make it...

It is seldom, if ever, the micro properties alone that account for macro characteristics. But there is a connection between the micro and macro. If th...

There's nothing it's like to be a particle, because it's not experiencing anything other than existence. Even it a particle is moved from the most rem...

Please explain how it works. I have yet to read anything that explains how physical processes give rise to subjective experience.

It's the difference between the subjective experience of an information processing system and the subjective experience of a particle. No. Proto-consc...

Can you give any links, or names of researchers?

I quite agree. The kinds of properties of microphysical particles that cause the emergence of wetness cannot cause the emergence of human consciousnes...

Although wetness does not exist in microphysical particles, their properties cause them to combine in certain ways under certain circumstances, which ...

Are particles, the forces, and the laws of physics, the reason computers exist, enabling us to communicate like this? Because computers come about nat...

Only "If everything we take to be meaningful is just the result of chemicals that can be replicated..." But maybe we are more than an extremely compli...

very interesting that Chat GPT is saying things like this: "However, this doesn’t mean there’s no difference on a deeper level. The "realness" of our ...

Yes, that was also the parasites. Less fun, but no less fascinating.

I did answer about atoms. I even went down a level below that. I started at the top, with cohesion and adhesion. Then went down to the molecules and t...

The Hawaiians do a good, quick rundown of Cohesion, the attraction of liquid molecules to each other, and Adhesion, the attraction of liquid molecules...

My cliff notes for it? Well, he doesn't seem to differentiate much between human and plant consciousness. Like they're talking about plants having a f...

Really loving Lights On. Thank you for the recommendation. Just spoke with Daniel Chamovitz in Ch 4.

i'm saying there must be an explanation for our consciousness in the properties of the particles that we are made out of. Just as there is an explanat...

My point is that not all chemical processes are processing information. That's what makes DNA so special. It processes information. And it's the basis...

Not sure if I expressed myself well. What I meant is, just joining things together doesn't mean the larger physical unit will have consciousness as a ...

Only if consciousness equals psyche. I think they are different things. Only if experience equals understanding. I think they are different things. Ac...

There you go. Automatons. What's the line between automatons and ... not automotive? As I've said, I think the key is information processing. That's w...

I am done with your nonsense. I have literally read my last post of yours.