If you agree that it would be objectively true that the earth is not flat even if everyone believed it was flat, then we agree on definitions for obje...
Why don't you actually read what I have to say and explain what about it and why it is you disagree with it rather than dismiss it and make condescend...
I don’t think it’s that mysterious. Matter interacts with other matter and energy. We can see this at the less sophisticated forms of life like bacter...
You believe in determinism, yes? Determinism as I understand it is that for every event there exist conditions that could cause no other event. Theref...
I is the word given to a group of matter that is experienced. Meaning can be given to things through experience even if they don't mean anything in an...
It involves the person thinking that the universe is determined. But it could also have already been determined that the person would be thinking that...
So what? In a non deterministic world, there's always a chance that I develop a brain trauma and stop caring about people anymore. Or die. Just becaus...
If you look up the definition of the word atheist on google, you will scroll through a bunch of dictionaries that define atheism as a lack of belief o...
The way you are looking at determinism... maybe decisions, you, trauma, etc. don't mean anything in some ultimate sense but they still mean something ...
When I am saying brain states I mean that the way the brain is at a certain point. So if you went through a traumatic experience, the physical state o...
You quoted half of my sentence and left off "and we aren't ultimately free to choose our brain states". In the context of my comment, I thought I made...
Assuming determinism... We don't have free will in the sense that in a deterministic world, what we choose is based off our brain state at that moment...
All living things react. Even nonliving things react, like mercury to temperature in a thermometer. Living things are more sophisticated though obviou...
You still have to demonstrate why the morality people believe in is objective. Just because a lot of people believe it is objectively wrong to murder ...
I do agree with you in some sense. I don't look at actions as morally right or wrong, I look at actions as useful or not useful. And also as things I ...
Or it could just be that as societies have become more sophisticated they started to value cooperation more, and so murder made less sense to them. Va...
It would make sense that humans evolved to be able to conceive of ideas that were necessary for survival, such as basic laws of physics. But we still ...
Most people around me say that is wrong to kill because it's just wrong, not because we decided that it is wrong. I don't see it the same way so it go...
If you agree that it would be objectively true that the earth is not flat even if everyone believed it was flat, then we agree on definitions for obje...
It would be objectively true that the earth was not flat even if there was consensus that it was flat because the fact that it's not flat affected the...
I don't think you understand my position. I don't claim that any acts are objectively immoral. I lack the belief that there is an objective morality. ...
Humans may have evolved to be predisposed to understanding math. Yet I can distinguish that there actually is an objective math law it can be demonstr...
I made the last post to show you that anyone can say that anything is an essential property. You stated that harm is an essential property. You have t...
You've asked this same question so many times and I've responded the same thing so many times. You should just go back and re-read our discussion abou...
We can demonstrate math law by showing that 5 objects + 5 objects = 10 objects. It is rational to believe this is knowledge about an objective math la...
Just because everyone want to be, even if that were true, that wouldn't make it objectively morally right to make people happy. Using that same reason...
Objective reality is what is real independent of what one thinks. An example would be a crime scene. If there is no evidence, it might be irrational t...
This is all assuming practical knowledge. Mathematics knowledge is about a math law. We can demonstrate that the math law objectively exists. But I ha...
I don't agree with those definitions. Objective reality is independent of whether or not there is observer consistency. If there is consistency, you h...
Yeah that's true, but there's a difference between absolute knowledge and practical knowledge. I can't claim that I absolutely know there's an apple i...
I think it depends on how you make the statement. For example, if I say that ice cream tastes good, that's an opinion. I could say that it's objective...
Mindfulness really is an amazing thing. But I'll tell you what, it's just like exercise. Even when you get going, you might just stop and then it's ha...
Anyone can make a logical proof about anything. The question is whether it is sound. The reason for objective law of mathematics being sound is the fa...
"When we say we have mathematical knowledge, what is it knowledge of? It is knowledge of the objective math law. Whether it's because you discovered i...
"My own view is that there is an essential property to a moral act, and that property is the conventional view of justice. All moral acts are those th...
The same can't be said about mathematics because the mathematical knowledge we have is about the actual objective math law which can be demonstrated, ...
When we say we have mathematical knowledge, what is it knowledge of? It is knowledge of the objective math law. Whether it's because you discovered it...
You only said that it is an essential property, not why it is. With that reasoning I could say that the conventional view of justice is an essential p...
Proof for the objectivity of mathematics is this. If someone says 5+5=11, you can show them that they are wrong by demonstrating the objective math la...
If you agree that people changing their beliefs to 5+5=11 in the example I gave doesn't change the fact that it is objectively true that right now if ...
In the absence of any bigger picture, if you feel nihilistic, the bright side would be that nothing matters. Of course your actions would still have c...
From the post I saw, I'm wondering why harm is an essential property of an objective morality. I could see why it would be an essential property of yo...
Do you think that beliefs change objective reality? Do you think that just because people believed that 5+5=11 (and not just redefined 11 to mean 10, ...
Math statements however are grounded in reality. It doesn't matter if hypothetically everyone thinks that 5+5=11. Regardless of what people think, whe...
I am not making any claims (see the edit in the original post). I am saying I haven't seen proof that there is an objective morality for why murder is...
I should've said this earlier, but yeah our definitions for objective differ if you define objective as just consensus of what people think or believe...
If everyone's favorite ice cream was vanilla, it would objectively be true that everyone's opinion of ice cream being the best flavor was consistent. ...
There a clear distinction between mathematics and morality. When we make a math statement like 5+5=11, we can check that. If we have 5 apples and add ...
Mathematical principle can be proven in reality. You still have to prove the objective morality. Let me rephrase a little bit. If the human brain were...
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