I would not. Not because I think that my morality is any better in some objective sense, but because it goes against my moral values, which are an exp...
My values would be closer to what society values than the psychopath. So what? What makes my moral system any better than the psychopath's? It sounds ...
You have to clarify first. Where is this moral system coming from? Is this my moral system based off of what I value? Or is it society's moral system ...
So now you are suggesting that you might not be determinist without a reason to believe in a transcendental function? What makes you transcendental? I...
If you define determinism as just acting on what you want to do as most compatiblist say, then that's fine. I have no disagreement. However it's just ...
The question is not whether or not I find it uncomfortable, I care about what is really happening. When the psychopath murders, he is doing something ...
I can say the psychopath is not right because I value society and safety. Those things are important to me. I have no problem acknowledging me saying ...
This doesn't make sense. In your nonbeliefism you are still believing things by definition (accepting a claim). A belief doesn't require nonscientific...
So if there are two cultures where one says killing is okay and the other doesn't, but what standard can you say that one is better than the other? If...
With what standard are you evaluating? If you come across a culture where if one person cuts someone's hand off, it is okay for the person now with on...
Sure, but we can't say that any presupposed values that dictate one's morality are any better than those of some else without a demonstration that the...
Own what? I'm not the one asserting that murder can be demonstrated as a fact. That's why I made this thread, to see if anyone can demonstrate it beca...
We could just be using the word objective in different ways which would make this argument going nowhere so let's clear it up. If a psychopath says he...
Are you using the word bad here as that which one doesn't hope or desire for? Like for example saying ice cream is good. If so then we're basically sa...
My point is that if you say the earth is flat, you're not wrong because people think you're wrong, you're wrong because the earth really is not flat a...
Not to argue for determinism, but it doesn't seem like that to me. It seems more that the things of the future are necessary because they are part of ...
If you are a determinist and determinism is your way of interpreting the information/code of the universe, then you can't interpret human desires (tha...
I don't disagree. I don't really understand. Are you against the word "belief" because of the baggage it carries? I don't see how your nonscientism is...
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by softer, but what I'm asking is for you to demonstrate that it is wrong to kill because it actually is, not ...
How could it have forced itself into existence before it existed? You have to demonstrate that there is some sort of will and not just a case of the b...
I don't think so because something can be intrinsically valuable to a person. It would be wrong with presupposed values that are consistent with allow...
A belief is an acceptance that something is true right? Someone can accept a claim that is based off of scientific thinking, or nonscientific thinking...
Yes they are generalizations for generating new hypotheses for pragmatic purposes. However, as a determinist, if you are accepting those generalizatio...
The title of this thread is a little misleading now, but I don't expect you to read all the replies. My position now is that objective morality hasn't...
No actions could be demonstrated to be objectively morally right or wrong, yes. So essentially when someone does kill, we'd be saying they are morally...
True in the same sense that it would be objectively true that the earth is not flat even if every person thought it was. Similarly, just because every...
I agree with you in that dividing the two may be demonstrably impossible in an absolute sense. We can't absolutely know that it is objectively true th...
If I ask someone if they believe there is an even or odd number of gumballs in the jar, what I mean by that statement is do they have conscious confid...
I don't agree. Just because something is doesn't give it any objective ought morality value. You can get to an objective morality in this case only af...
I already addressed this point 1. Viruses are not considered organisms. They are non-living 2. Even if hypothetically they were living organisms, they...
We'll just call it subconscious then. It could be rational. I can still move on with life and not decide which one is true and never come back to this...
Okay how about this then. It is true that I do believe (in terms of absolute belief) that god does not exist because of some irrational subconscious p...
So what if people have a very very slight subconscious irrational prejudice (that they may not even be aware of) towards something? Yeah you're right ...
I am saying that it doesn't matter if I have some irrational prejudice that inclines me towards believing that it is slightly more likely that A is tr...
It's entirely possible that in a world of no objective morality, life at it's inception did not have the ability to needlessly kill because it was too...
Words are defined differently in philosophical arguments all the time. When someone makes a proof and uses a word that is ambiguous, people generally ...
1. A world where it is objectively morally wrong to kill so organisms don't kill 2. A world where it is not objectively morally wrong to kill, however...
It is possible to lack a belief. If you look at a jar with gumballs, do you believe that there is an even amount of gumballs in that jar? Probably not...
You agree that even if every single organism believed that the earth is flat, it would still be objectively true that the earth is not flat, right? If...
Even if that were hypothetically true for every single animal, all that means is that it is objectively true that animals have a predisposition to hav...
It may or may not be true. But yes I agree there are more pressing issues because there is a lot more we need to understanding about the universe befo...
Our whole discussion started when you quoted half of my sentence in a post where I had said assuming determinism. Then you went on to say in a determi...
You say that I have to explain it. And when I attempt to explain it you ignore the questions I had asked and dismiss my attempt. Anyway I'm not wastin...
You've agreed that matter interacts with matter and energy. Is the case of a virus and/or bacteria also just matter and energy interacting with matter...
I don't know. That is up to the one claiming that there is an objective morality to demonstrate. Just because many/majority people have agreed that it...
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