SonJnana

The principle of mathematics can be logically proven by what we see in reality. You can't group objective morality in the same group. The only thing y...

Just because your "conscience" tells you something is right or wrong doesn't mean that it is objectively morally right or wrong. If that were the case...

You originally said "Morality is given to us in the form of a command-from-afar, as something we ought to do." So tell me, why should I believe that t...

Why should I believe that there is a command coming from anything? I lack a belief in that. I personally don't see things as objectively morally good ...

I don't like to label myself as having a point of view so I can't really speak for that. Now of course this is all speaking hypothetically as if there...

A command from who? It does require explanation because it's not intuitive and self-evident. If it was we wouldn't be having this conversation. You ca...

I ask this because I find it interesting that when someone says murder is wrong then, it's only because they subjectively intrinsically value somethin...

If it's not used the way the dictionary defines it then fine, define it how you want. I'm not gonna argue about the semantics of a word. You understan...

Yes, because I lack the belief that morality is objective.

I told you not to go there. But since you went there: Definition of atheism 1 a : a lack of belief or a strong disbelief in the existence of a god or ...

Lacking a belief in god does not mean that I believe god does not exist - this is correct. Lacking a belief in an even number of gumballs does not mea...

That's nonsense. The earth didn't change from flat to round in this case. It was always round, but we were wrong. Because it being round affecting our...

Like I've said many times, I originally was asserting that morality is not objective, but since then I've changed my position because I realized I cou...

An agnostic atheist doesn't assume God is not real. It lacks the belief in a god. If you ask me if there is an even number of gumballs in a jar, just ...

Questioning a view doesn't mean I have the opposite view. If you tell me that there is an even number of gumballs in a jar, I can question your view. ...

Like I said, I've already found some holes in what I was originally saying so I've re-evaluated and changed my position. I'm not asserting anymore. Th...

And if they later re-evaluated and agreed that the Earth is actually a sphere then what? You're telling me that they would say the earth used to be fl...

Under these definitions if everyone was in agreement that the earth was flat, then wouldn't it be objectively true that the world was flat?

You'd be right if I asserted that morality was non-objective but I'm not asserting that. I'm not asserting it to be objective or non-objective. If the...

My position on this has changed in my more recent responses. I just made an EDIT on the original post at the end to clear up the confusion.

I decided to no longer use the word preference because I think it was misleading for my point. The burden of proof is on you however because I am taki...

I didn't assert that. You asserted that it is objective moral so it's up argue that. Also I'm not really sure I understand what moral means in this co...

When I was using the word preferences, I never said that it isn't controlled by many factors. I have stated a few times now that they may have been so...

I don't understand. I thought objective morality was about what one ought to do. What makes intellectual honesty an objective moral?

The claim is that morality is objective. If I take the position of not believing that morality is either objective or non-objective, then the burden o...

I agree there is a big difference in those statements. One is an expression of what one likes and one is an expression of what one considers to be mor...

I have re-evaluated. In the absence of any argument that rationally demonstrates that there is an objective morality, let alone how that morality woul...

The morality that people grow into seems to me to just be an expression of everyone's preferences. They may themselves think that murder is objectivel...

I understand what you're saying. I re-evaluate my position. In the absence of any argument that rationally demonstrates that there is an objective mor...

I re-read your original post and I think I understand it better now. Could you explain a little further what you mean by saying it is a derivative? Th...

Maybe I haven't been clear. What I am arguing is that individuals' and societies' moralities are based on subjective preferences. And that there is no...

It is true that many people have common values, but just because even if everyone has similar values because they all prefer to live in a stable socie...

That just means that your wants, needs, desires, etc. were socially conditioned which lead to the preference you have today for wanting to the world t...

You could say that any actions or laws that don't foster a safe, equitable, orderly society are wrong because they aren't consistent with your or the ...

I didn't say its not cognitive. I'm saying that you can't say that any moral code is objectively better than other. Or at least, there is no reason to...

Everyone has moral codes for what they think is right. The question is whether or not there is an object standard to say one moral code is better than...

I was refuting the other person because they were arguing that objective morality is based around biological need for survival. I was only saying that...

Moral judgments are reasoned in a society because the people have a preference for living in a society. The people reason that we should condemn murde...

I want to clear this up in case there is misunderstanding. I am not saying that if one person believe X and one person believe not-X that both X and X...

There are no known cases of it, but I think you're missing the point I was trying to get at. You say that helping others survive in the CONTEXT of bio...

Parasitic organisms are biologically programmed to thrive off of harming others. In that context, harming others is good. How does that tell you anyth...

Since when does preferences for acting exclude wanting to live in a stable society where we can co-exist? I think it's pretty obvious that if you want...

I think it's more honest to say that the person is acting morally based on a subjective morality that values the extension of conscious life. Someone ...

I agree with this in my case. You won't see me going around harming others. What about someone who enjoys going around conquering lands and becoming a...

I never said that there wasn't an obvious usefulness to have subjective morality. I mentioned that one reason to not murder would be because one has a...