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I'm not sure. I think Isaac is the only one asserting that there is no such thing as phenomenal consciousness. I don't know what the others are saying...

Interesting. Thanks!

Qualia. :heart: https://youtu.be/xpi1xKD20dw

I come back to his wisdom over and over.

Yes, it's just broader. I dont think it would apply to a virus because they don't have any moving parts, so to speak. They just passively wander into ...

It's Deacon's word for a quality of aboutness. A thing doesnt have to be conscious to have it.

Do you know what a contemporary panpsychist would say about selfhood? If there are tiny consciousness units or vast waves of it, where is knowledge of...

The two are similar in that they're both understood to have intentionality or ententionality.

The two do seem to be closely related.

Well, that's less Freudian. :smile:

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Doesnt anyone want to agree with Deacon that it's quantum theory?

You're saying that people who are open to panpsychism are "uncomfortable" with the facts. I think this is in line with csalisbury's view that the char...

Yes, it's about our assessments, so it isn't baked in.

That emoji looks like it's sweating.

No, it doesn't. I'm a little surprised that you dont see why not. But the SEP agrees with me. :cool:

Ok. So?

The Absolute is neither conscious nor volitional, and its supposed to be the higher truth, the only thing that doesn't exist relatively. Definitely Ne...

Maybe it's inconsistent with some definitions of panpsychism. Acosmism is along the lines of Neoplatonism. The realm of the Absolute's emanations is o...

Did Hegel say Spinoza wasn't a panpsychist?

But Spinoza was a panpsychist.

Is it a generational thing? Not to get too psychological, but when people insist on being strong, there could be some underlying fear. The SEP says th...

So recall that the distinction between strong and weak emergence is in assessments of truths. Read the essay.

If we find strongly emergent properties, physics would have to be updated to cover whatever we missed. We wouldn't just throw up our hands and declare...

You're wrong about weak emergence. A weakly emergent property is not reducible. The distinction is about truths specific to the emergent entity or pro...

I guess I was looking for a walk through that logic (if you have time). Monistic idealists have been known to suggest that matter is an emergent prope...

Why would it necessarily be weird spooky magic? And what do you mean by "magic" here?

A number of posters explained the answer to the OP. The SEPs words reflect theirs: "Recent developments have gone some way to reversing the aversion t...

For instance, consciousness?

Why do you say emergence is illogical?

Cool!

There's an octupus who carries two coconut shells when it explores areas that have no hiding places. When it stops, it climbs inside the shells. Scien...

humbly tending the desperate cries of the consumer til Need itself has become a silence too deep for death

Well put. A common strategy is to see the whole living, conscious thing as abiding naturally and some parts of it, individual humans for instance, ide...

Octupi can see with their tentacles.

They look like tiny rainbow-striped unicorns.

Ok. I'll leave his attacks for now. The goal is to end up with a discerning subject. We just dont want to explain that with... a discerning subject. T...

Until the other half of the dilemma appears and then it's back to dualism?

Deacon had stated that it's "mostly" to do with quantum theory. I hadnt heard that claim before.

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So it's a reiteration of the Democratic dilemma: "The Presocratics were struck by a dilemma: either mind is an elemental feature of the world, or mind...

Well maybe I'm the one who has a homunculus lurking in my outlook. Could you explain what the non-homuncular approach looks like? I mean, it's more th...

So for some reason that's not totally clear to me, he wants to hold Chomsky up as an example of homuncularusm. After a micro-review of Chomsky's theor...

I was going to say that there's overkill squared in his efforts to put aside the idea of the magically unexplainable, but maybe that's why: the shadow...

Chapter 2 is about the homunculus. Remember earlier I postulated that behaviorism brought intentionality into focus? The homunculus helps explain what...

In Chapter one Deacon affirms his desire to hold to a materialist approach, which he seems to be defining as nonmagical. He signals that he wants to m...

I know a house cleaning lady with lupus who depends on ACA (Obamacare). Biden is a step in the right direction for her, but millions are still teeteri...

Why? Are you trying to recruit me for the Australian CIA? :grin:

I think China owns a fair amount of Australia, so it would be their call.

My theory is that there are forces in human life that lead to unity and forces that divide. Global unity would require a crest of the former and a gre...