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Huh? We do relate qualia to biological functions. So?

You mean atomic?

It's not a physical object. True.

We don't presently understand how phenomenal consciousness work, but we do relate it to functions. We don't fully understand gravity either, but we kn...

There's obviously more to pain than language use. Surely you're not suggesting otherwise.

I do, but what is that supposed to be relevant to?

I think the self is an organizing idea. It's an aspect of rationality which can emerge really early for some people and late for others. I think the d...

@"Banno" Pain is interesting. Per Hilton's law (@"Isaac" is it Hilton's?), any nervous pathway that is used extensively, will become a pain superhighw...

She also did surrealist writing. Are you familiar with surrealism?

ok

So you're pitting idealism against methodological materialism? That makes no sense. You are a methodological dualist. We all are.

Leibniz is cogent and as testable as materialism.

Leibniz is a good one.

it means most particpants could say it, each with the same sincerity.

That knife slices both ways.

If the great transformation happened tomorrow, your life wouldn't change much. You don't need to be rescued. You just need a more flexible attitude. I...

Yes. Life is hard for the protestor. Lenin had to ride a train all the way across europe to get to Russia in time to kill the czar. They say he was in...

You can get it multiple times. I don't think that happens very often tho.

"I reget that I can only get covid-19 once a year.". -- devoted human rights activist

Like licking elevator buttons? By any means necessary, you know? Btw, the predictive text on my phone goes straight to: by any means necessary. Hmm.

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But have you really been trying? You know there's more to protesting than just typing stupid stuff on your phone.

How do you encourage existential angst?

Maybe not cultural. Just very different life experiences.

Ok. I'm going with cultural rift.

So if Chalmers wants a scientific theory of consciousness that goes beyond function to include the phenomenal, he's just using poor grammar?

I think you need to find a person who's covid-19 positive and give them a big smoochy kiss right on the lips with lots of tongue.

No, it's that I've really struggled to understand the opposing view. But then I thought about the vast cultural story that phenomenal consciousness is...

We'll never make it to a thousand pages with that attitude.

Both a robot and a human can detect red light. A human has an accompanying experience. The robot doesn't. Right?

Yep. I think it's the mRNA vaccine, so it's new technology. I've heard the side effects can suck. I don't have an issue with needles, but I'm phobic a...

"Phenomenal consciousness" refers to the fact that we have conscious experience associated with sight and taste and so on. One of the ways this first ...

I hope you don't belong to the privileged class in this case. Should be getting a vaccine soon. Thank you Pfizer!!!!!!!

Proof is the one thing nobody has. So Chalmers says Dennett's view is so extraordinary, he carries the burden of proof. Dennett says there is strong r...

Have you thought of staging a protest for your right to get sick as crap?

Phenomenal consciousness has been a topic of discussion for about 100 years. It's a science fiction theme, it's a significant issue in philosophy. Sci...

Nobody's denying that people have conscious experience, just qualia. :up:

The US never ruled the Iroquois Nation. They just took over and absorbed the population Sure. They ruled central europe.

I'm not trying to paint a rosy picture of the US. It's just never met the definition of an empire.

Oh. Ok.

Holy abstraction, Batman! Who ever presented this argument anywhere?

Human memory is a jumble

I think the British specifically wanted to eliminate the Indian hold on the world's textile market. They invaded at a time when India was vulnerable. ...

Sacrifices have to be made.

Just indoors.

$1000 fine and possible jail time for not wearing a mask in my town. Finally.

I'm in chapter 15. :up:

Really? The wealth of the British Empire grew out of the global trade they helped create. They didn't start out wealthy.

I'm on the chapter about the self. What did you think of his assessment of information? I'm not sure it makes sense to say that information is ententi...

Does insurance cover that? :razz: