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:up: @"Banno". @"Fooloso4" Read Apollodorus' explanation above. This is correct.

Do you think it's important to be pious?

It's a little unnerving, yea. Hey I did a pun.

And you're incorrigible to boot. :sad:

The Apology doesn't contradict the historian's account. Socrates was one of many victims of scapegoating following the defeat of Athens. If I had one ...

Have you read about MuZero? It's one of the the AlphaGo descendants.

@"Apollodorus" I think the goal is to go through all the Platonic dialogues providing novel interpretations.

Addressed in the Shoutbox.

Exactly.

Really? What's the other part?

I explained this earlier. It was scapegoating that followed the defeat of Athens at the hands of the Spartans. And clouds. He apparently spent a lot o...

Per Aristophanes he publicly questioned the existence of the gods. It doesn't get more impious than that

He was impious.

How does Socrates warrant us to say what it isn't? The Euthyphro dilemma doesn't. We ran into this same problem with infinite regression. You thought ...

You can't really assert that without giving an alternate account. You seemed to want to end it with: 'Socrates didn't know...' If he didn't know, then...

I think you're skirting the issue. :cool: Since you approved of Jesus' impiety (which was pervasive), think about his solution.

Then from whence the just, noble, and good?

As a higher law?

Yep. I don't think the book of Job originated with the Jews, but the fact that the rabbis kept it in the canon shows that the insight Jesus demonstrat...

How did I?

Oh good.

If we look back to Socrates' trial, we see that he was being held responsible for a recent Athenian defeat. The reasoning was that impiety, of the sor...

Piety isn't strictly about obedience, though it can have to do with purity. It's about showing devotion. Failing to show respect for the gods was the ...

Sigh. I agree.

That's true, but it's not what I meant. Some people can quiet their emotions. Some can't. The two will have differing ideas about what constitutes con...

Do you understand that the Hebrew laws about rape weren't about piety?

I think a challenge to creating a theory of consciousness is that we really aren't all the same. For me, silencing judgment is easy. It's my baseline....

I'm not sure what you mean by indifferent. What's an example of it?

You're a good teacher. Thanks.

I pretty strongly disagree with this. Emotion is an element of experience. There are conditions that produce a 'flat affect.'. These people are fully ...

I think people are starting to accept that a dictatorship is probably the only way forward, tho they probably wouldn't use that word. The system is to...

Christianity inherited several distinct ideas about goodness: Jewish, Persian, Roman, and Platonic. And then there's Augustine: 'love and do what you ...

Really? That's odd.

I think pretty much everybody did.

This was what medieval people believed. It creates an identity problem. If you're good in thought and deed, then everything you do is the will of God....

Mark Blyth says that socioeconomic problems are always explained in terms of the chosen solution. The chosen solution is an idea that was in the back ...

Is consciousness self organizing? I know a guy who has a genetic disorder. Everyday, all day long, he attends to three cell phones and a tablet that h...

You pointed to your lack of physical connection to any other organism to prove your independence. Now it's that you're a mammal?

More like macrophages because we can move in our own. Still, yes. You are a product of a highly advanced society. What have you accomplished all in yo...

The cells that make up your blood are independent in exactly the same way. They aren't connected to anything. Each has its own journey round the cosmo...

I'm not trying to diminish anybody's grinding angst, rant away. I only comment because there's a point if significance for me in it. Hobbes was a mona...

I did address it. Apparently I'm not the only one who doesn't read. I'm tired. Bye

All sorts of things count as individuals in the eyes of Roman-style law. So, no.

It might be helpful to consider that it comes from a different era, and it was meant to address a problem most of us don't have. Perhaps over time, th...

Social contract was meant to replace divine right as the source of a government's legitimacy. It actually makes a lot of sense until someone decides t...

I don't think you're understandung the theory.

Basically, IIT is saying that experience arises from a system that acts upon itself. "Knowing what it's like" is an aspect of experience. Is it so dif...

It's kind of obvious. The Hard problem straddles philosophy of mind and philosophy of science. It's a call for a theory of consciousness that addresse...

No. I just stumble onto it from time to time. Eyes evolve pretty frequently.

Cool. I'm still working on understanding his theory, so I'm not much use defending him. :grin: