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I can deal with that. It's not an uncommon experience for someone to have. No technique is guaranteed to succeed, and that is completely irrelevant as...

Exactly. There are so many common misconceptions in this topic. I've seen this one before, and I'm sure you have.

That's fine, so long as you don't twist what I say and walk away with a misunderstanding which you perhaps don't even realise is a misunderstanding. T...

It's very relevant that you seem to be feigning ignorance in order to get me to do something which I judge to be unnecessary. It is no fallacy for me ...

No one, as far as I'm aware, has claimed that there's an absolute subjective morality. Moral subjectivism can acknowledge aspects of objectivity relat...

You didn't ask me a question, you gave me a challenge which I refused on the basis that it isn't necessary. Don't pretend to be unintelligent.

Are you like a child who has just snatched a toy out of the hand of another child? No, I don't believe that you are, so no argument from me is necessa...

Some degree of objectivity doesn't make any real difference. That I feel a certain way about something is itself factual, not opinion. That's a degree...

Opinion, if you call it that (I prefer the term "moral judgement" as it conveys the importance better), is all I have. It is founded on moral feelings...

It's not logical. It must be psychological. His drive for objectivity is psychological, and it is of such force that it overrides logic for him. This ...

Right relative to our respective subjective standards, yes. What you're saying is illogical. I don't need to go outside of myself for any reason, and ...

This is a good point. It can be a worrying way of thinking, as my example involving racism conveys. Good luck trying to tackle institutional racism by...

The part in bold is the problem. Who has committed to an absolute sense of correctness in this context? Is the relativist a relativist, or an absoluti...

Wow. Really? You think that it's either cultural relativism or natural law? The funny thing is, I accept cultural relativism, but I don't accept that ...

Very, very old. I am a reincarnation of wisdom itself, which is very old indeed.

You see overcoming prejudice in that way? Gosh.

You're free to disagree, but if you do so on that basis, then your disagreement is unreasonable. It is true of people before the discovery of what alc...

If we did, then your reply before the one quoted above appears to have changed that. You could of course make that clear by simply saying whether or n...

That an inferior tool is available doesn't mean that I have to use it. I do have many of the questions that religion fails to answer well. And I defin...

Baden, stop making bad jokes, or I'll close the discussion. We're trying to do serious philosophy here.

Maddie McCann?

I love the idea of a blue Tuesday being located in Burgundy of all places. :lol: Or is it yellow? And in Croydon? Who knows? Thank goodness we have ph...

It's alright. Don't worry. There's still the question of where it's located. It's in Bordeaux, France, obviously. Ah shit, I've just ruined it again, ...

No, no, no. It's serious philosophy. (Don't ruin the illusion with your blasted logical analysis!). We very much see eye-to-eye. :rofl: "With luck, th...

(That itself was a joke. There's never enough jokes and throwing shade. Even this is itself a joke. But the biggest joke of all is philosophy. Or am I...

And now you're fourteen-and-a-half and brimming with wisdom. Step aside, Hume. Behold, Herg!

Yes, let's. We've had the last thread on abortion, and now we've got morality sorted. What next, Tim Wood? :lol:

One of many pseudo-questions in philosophy. Have you checked out the discussion on ancient texts? If we apply the criteria of moral objectivism, it re...

Odd. It certainly looks otherwise. Are you sure you're not just in denial? I try to help. You can reproach me for not being all nice and cuddly about ...

"'Tis not contrary to reason to prefer the destruction of the whole world to the scratching of my finger" - Hume. The old rationalist conception of mo...

Amen. Yes, and Tim Wood thinks that it's obvious enough that there's an absolute moral standard. We had better follow suit, I suppose, even if that me...

Yeah, I'm both. Oops, too many consecutive posts. Sir2u is going to have a field day. Still, I'm closer to getting that prized 10k and becoming the ne...

But they taste great with mashed potato and vegetables. They taste heavenly, in fact. Just be careful not to overcook them. :ok:

Shit. You've caught me out. Now I'll have to look up the philosophical jargon. I'm a little rusty on that one. I think I'm both, but await my confirma...

Yes, I am a moral relativist. I have made that known. Look that up if you don't know what that entails.

Moral feelings and what they're about suffice for moral truth. Harm to society is just one particular thing which a moral truth could be about, depend...

Sufficient for what? What are you talking about? Are you agreeing with me or disagreeing with me? Be clearer. :brow:

Moral truths in what sense? In a meaningless sense? I reject that way of thinking for obvious reasons. But yes, it is a moral truth in a sensible sens...

That is meaningless without any moral feeling about it. Why should anyone care? The caring is why it matters. This is basic and obvious.

Anyway, enough jokes and throwing shade. Back to business. How can you explain morality in a sensible way without a foundation in moral feelings? I do...

I don't know. I wasn't listening to a word you were saying. :grin:

It's alright, I forgive you, because I'm a good little Christian and I want to get into made-up Heaven.

Your bias is showing. I haven't resorted to simplistic name calling like that. I did call him a dogmatist, but that's in another league from calling h...

So, it turns out that it is "just toxic" to point out logical errors in an argument. That is news to me. When someone says that it will rain tomorrow,...

It didn't muddy the waters for me. You could say a similar thing about my analogy with meaning and an orange, but that would be to massively miss the ...

Indeed, it is not hard to grasp. Anyone familiar enough with common objections to moral relativism will recognise this. And it is easily refuted. You'...

Lol. Unless that standard is subjective, which it is. How about you demonstrate an objective standard? Then I'll begin to take you seriously. Encourag...

Yes, strictly speaking, in a very literal sense, everything is amoral, just like everything is meaningless. But switching back to the ordinary way of ...

You should have a problem stating it that way, unless you're okay with being wrong. My morality need not involve any "complex interaction" with "relig...

Lol. Do you believe your own bullshit? That's not an argument. You don't have one, do you?