Moliere

Eh, you know me by now. I'm easily tempted into my rabbit holes :D

That I agree with. My imagination says the scenario is something without me, but like -- in an always kind of way. Very imaginative. As if species did...

I agree with that, I think. Not eons, though -- spoken language is much sooner than biological timescales. It seems like eons. I guess to bring this b...

Good question. Yup, that's not right. I think the first sentence gets close to what I'm thinking. As soon as we allow English, then it's always-alread...

More like, from the perspective of an embodied brain, my notions came from whatever I was taught and grew up with. Given that's true, I'm sure they we...

No idea? I don't think that's quite right, because we are born into a world which has already been formed. Our notions come from our elders, in variou...

They'd be ... whatever they are... without me. Without our bodies the things which exist would not be real in the same way. Yup! But would they be rea...

Heh. Fair enough. There are times when it's not the right time.

*shrugs* I'm a nihilist. Deserts are for the moralists :D Thumper's mom knew what she was talking about -- and not just morally speaking. Rabbits bein...

:D I have! Naturally that means I have to agree here ;) -- and I do. But especially with the mix that you say -- our blend of disagreement with and ag...

So this is interesting to me, because in conjunction with the notion that the mind is what limits, as opposed to what generates, my mind makes the con...

Makes perfect sense to me. Maybe we try to reduce the metaphorical VR to inputs-outputs, and consider that an explanation, but that's exactly what's w...

I'm good with that. Basically brain-in-a-vat where the vat is actually a meaty, mucousy, bio-breathing thing developed by the mad scientist, natural s...

Sartre also makes perfect sense there -- I'd say Sartre and Huxley are expressing themselves in a similar modality(philosophical methodology? similar ...

So, yes? ;) It looks like you're still thinking through things. I should say "I don't know" is exactly the answer I'd give to the question, at the mom...

That's the terror of responsibility -- what you choose will matter. What you choose matters even if you don't want it to. "People" includes you -- and...

I can make a choice. That resolves it. I might regret it later, but if choice isn't part of a moral issue, it's a kind of illusion.

Oh yeh. I think we're close enough that we agree there on the bad sides of phenomenology, too -- including ethical abuses, and such. I feel differentl...

I waited until we hit the 1k mark, out of an attempt at respect to @"jgill" -- but now we going to really figure out this ineffable thang at 2k posts....

Hrm. I'd say that morality is important. And we live in a world without a designer. I'm mostly in favor of moral error-theory, though I understand it ...

I think I'd put this somewhere in-between the minimalism I described above to @"bongo fury" and Transcendental Idealism. And, probably, that's where m...

Cool. I should have replied separately, and if you're still thinking on it no worries -- but if you have an answer, I'd like to hear it: is the brain ...

I agree. (hrm, looking back -- typed that in response to your second sentence, but the first one makes sense) Actually, materially, something that's i...

Oh, I should also mention, you can just say "No" :D And I'd be interested in those reasonings too.

Kant's transcendental subject is simply a formal "I think "X"" -- a subject only formally there as a condition of thought. He doesn't think of the min...

I should note, that I'm not holding people to yes and no. I'm more interested in the why part. The yes/no is just meant to make people commit to somet...

I mean, I'm just giving a hypothetical there to clarify the question and say one can make variations however they like for purposes of answering the q...

Well, that'd be proposing a kind of mechanism that I listed, yes. Though I chose the unclear "virtual reality machine" to sum up a large collection of...

Yes, definitely a stretch. Part of my fascination with such things is simply trying to understand what brings a rational person to sincerely believe t...

Bold! :D I suppose the next part is -- ok, can we identify which parts of the virtual reality are confabulations and which aren't? For instance I coul...

Yeah :) -- though, to be honest, there are others here who believe in such things, too. And, I have to note, I've been absolutely loving this conversa...

Are you sure? The household meaning is the important meaning -- not the philosophers meaning. It's the household meaning that holds the house together...

I agree with this. Also, probably shows some of the shortcomings of my proposal of using teaching as a stand-in for the ineffable. It was just an hone...

Cool. I see the tough cases as ones of motivation. You can lead a horse to water, but if they don't want to drink they won't. That's true of teaching ...

Then that'd be between you and God, yeah? And whomever else saw her. Maybe what you say of her is true. And, if I believe you, in the same vein, I'd h...

Oh, hell yeah. :D

Something that's weighty about teaching, and it's much the same with any position of authority. You just have power over other people's lives, if you'...

Sure, I'm on board. Interesting cases only. I think we can't be taught a unique thing, but that character is developed in such a way that a person is ...

Yup, that works for me too. The ability is developed.

Upon learning how to play a person should be able to play, and able to judge, and set on a path where the student doesn't need the teacher but can pro...

Well, I think that explains our collective confusion. :D

I'm not sure what I'd want to construe teaching as, but it's what comes to mind when thinking about if something counts as ineffable -- if it can be t...

Cool. At least I see where our disagreement lies. I believe these things are teachable, but yes it involves showing rather than saying. I guess what i...

I think I see teaching and learning as always involving practice. And, I'm hesitant to believe that the most important aspects of any practice cannot ...

Didn't I already acknowledge this, in saying "sure, I'm using the word in a special way"? Surely we're still able to make distinctions? But if it's re...

I'd say it's because it's teachable. It'd be more interesting to say something is ineffable because it's not even teachable, or not even learn-able, r...

Why do we have to be made free from language? Would it even be desirable? Mystical, yes. But true? Truth is bound to language. And if the mystical is ...

Heh. I love Dune. I dislike Duncan as a character, in the grand scheme of Dune. But I like how much it focuses on economy and culture and the interpla...

Cool. Heh, I felt the need to respond because I'm a fan of German philosophy. But I'll admit these aren't on the ever-long homework assignments yet ;)...

This is where I disagree, I think. We can't know that sensations will forever remain both immediate and indescribable. I think Merleau-Ponty goes some...