They do, and mayhaps my recent reply to Srap in the Williamson thread goes some way to bridge a gap here. Yes, classically aesthetics is about the bea...
I'll give it a shot to make a case of some kind here. How is that different, exactly? Utility -- it's not something we ought pursue in a ethical sense...
I think this is a misunderstanding of philosophers that can be remedied by looking at Plato. Truth is important, but the triumvirate between the good,...
What about "aesthetic" as opposed to "merely aesthetic"? -- the desire for results, success, knew knowledge -- how is that not aesthetic? Isn't the at...
With respect to philosophy, at least, it'd be non-philosophical self-expression. But then that'd be decided by some set of understood conversational r...
Naturally, my taste is to say the opposite: Self-expression is a necessary element of philosophy. Art might, at times, cross over into something more ...
Yes. But not for this reason. Really you can substitute anyone in there -- any old expert will do as long as they have all the resources one could ask...
Yeah. Though I'm rather explicit about the importance of aesthetics in philosophy :) Excellent. Those are very clearly stated philosophical aesthetics...
Yes, that's a good one. Nietzsche as the philosopher of the future and Burke as the lover of the tried-and-true. That's an especially interesting cate...
True, they're not necessarily disconnected. A person who likes French literature because their heritage is from France comes to mind here. Though then...
Right! That's a great question. I agree that I can usually find something attractive in a philosopher if I give it enough time. The more general quest...
How do you do away with bad ideas, and how do you identify them as bad? Is it just that they don't provide a non-religious theodicy? I'm guessing not ...
Nice. That's the sort of reflection I'm thinking after. Also, it'd be interesting -- upon identifying an aesthetic reason for such and such a philosop...
Sure. Though I'd more want to ask after what's attractive in each rather than the position of essentialism. Rather than asking after the strict infere...
Definitely. If it were possible to establish some way of making appeals appealing then this might be a way towards a paradigm which isn't local -- not...
Oh, sorry -- I should add an answer to your question directly @"SophistiCat" -- astronomy would not serve the purpose I'm intending for the example. I...
I don't think they're on the same footing. I think that's because astrology's purpose isn't to describe, but it's in the language of description. It "...
Well... I think I disagree with that formulation a bit. I think aesthetics have an influence on the ideas that are produced, rather than being a bypro...
Fair question. It's not necessary necessary. And if we can find ways to get along that don't include killing one another then that's a good example. U...
Yes. Much like George Washington, especially with respect to Mao -- they both "relinquished" power. US revolutionaries would poor molten metal into pe...
Maybe. But in the "usual" table manners: https://www.marthastewart.com/thmb/4aJDMOrFkE33OzqFbEglAlGhEAU=/1500x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000)...
You would, but I wouldn't. ;) We have consensus on the first point, but no the implication. Just because I see the stone drop 20 times every time I dr...
My expectation is that all of our answers will be pretty idiosyncratic, at first -- but perhaps through that expression we can find paralleles and bri...
As long as I emphasize your statement thus: "I don't just make order up" Sure. Taking that out though I think "I don't make order up" is false. We do!...
Yes. Though I'm talking past, then. It's the ideas that matter. What I'm asking is if there's a reason you're attracted to this or that idea/author th...
That'd challenge an argument I'm making in favor of asking what aesthetics we utilize to make choices in philosophy: That because there are a lot of p...
Definitely the same for me. Yeah. I tend to believe that philosophy is always a work on the self, no matter how externalized it may look. And the pros...
I don't want to oversimplify. In a way I think this is similar to saying "Because they're true" -- everyone can answer that, so it doesn't get at a ph...
Can we? Have you tried? What I've noticed is that I'm showing myself why I don't believe them, and they are dismissive of what I say. Notice how I sai...
Possibly, but not necessarily. A favorite example of mine is astrology. People who take astrology seriously are able to do all the things you just sai...
I'm of the opinion that they are all reasonable evolutions of Marx. Rather than trying to defend the original vision of Marx as something which was in...
Right! I think that's a good insight into what I'll dare to call "layperson philosophy" -- not as a denigration, but a categorical distinction between...
Right. That's what I mean by The ideas matter, of course -- not the expression so much. But why these ideas and not those ideas? Surely you see we gra...
We could, though that might still start looking like "law-speak" again. What I'm aiming to say is that the description works because there are some co...
:D Yes indeed. The universe is shaped like the consummation of a human male and a human female. I think electrical description is particularly prone t...
I think that's a better question. I'd say it's because we noticed something that fits with our notion of orderliness. In a way what I'd say is that th...
Are there laws of nature? I am more inclined to say that there are regularities in nature that we pay attention to. "Laws" sounds like there's a unive...
True. I even describe politics with 2's, though it's a recent fad. EDIT: (thinking how the formatting isn't as easy to translate into binary -- so non...
Yup. Yup. There are proletarians in the USA, but they are not beneficiaries of imperialism -- thinking here of migrant farm workers and prison labor a...
Maybe that point needs new wording in the future -- in setting up the event at least we intended to allow both kinds of philosophical writing. Perhaps...
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