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Yes, that's the point.

Here's a modified version of the OP where things are "evened out" a bit more. No further context should be necessary. Scenario 1: Armed men of group A...

But I specifically said I wanted to address the morality of Group A vs. Group B not mix this up with the morality of the pilot vs the assassins. So, y...

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You can't infer that from my post. I do have a problem with it. But my point was that it has nothing to do with Israel. Iran being on a human rights c...

Oh no! :monkey:

And if Israel is allowed on any committee, the U.N. is an Iran-hating joke? :chin:

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So easy to find decent accommodation in Thailand I did get complacent... Ouch.

On the plus side the nasi goreng was delicious and authentic so I still win.

Booked a room at the airport hotel not realizing it was tiny. And I mean literally a few metres squared. Thank you for helping me to relive my pain. :...

Then it started to rain and I got soaked. :cry: You want more?

Lol. If it's any consolation it was just a visa run type thing and I got lost in Kuala Lumpur because I only had a paper map and walked the wrong way ...

The one issue that I have with the thought experiment is that the parties to be judged should be group A vs. group B (not the pilot vs the armed men o...

My basic point boils down to asking how hard it is to presume for the sake of argument that neither of the two sides are "Nazis" or etc but are a prio...

I don't agree that it's unanswerable. Coming up with a definitive moral judgement based on the information provided is not the point imo. The point is...

Had that too on the plane to Malaysia the other day. :yum:

Again, you have to understand the nature of a thought experiment and that there are no two real groups, and that positing them as such and giving them...

I don't know if you are one of those people. Are you? I expect it's pointless to ask because you don't seem to want to say anything here except "Nazis...

Brains in vats and evil demons aren't how the real world works either. I wonder why they should be invoked by philosophers... Obviously we can agree i...

Honestly, I think there are people out there who think being killed by a bomb dropped by a nice respectable airplane pilot is somehow more humane than...

No, because your question is irrelevant and is a substitute for answering my relevant question, which you ignored. That's not an appropriate way to co...

For the thought experiment, it's not necessary to consider what they're fighting for because that's not the focus. Let's just imagine they are both fi...

You're answering my relevant question with an irrelevant question of your own. The OP is focused on civilian victims of conflict and makes no mention ...

Vibe.

Would you rather have your baby shot to death or blown into little pieces by a bomb? Looking at it from the perspective that matters, it doesn't matte...

Sad, but apparently true.

If It helps at all, the Irish people are the Irish people except when they're the British people, which most of them are most definitely not and even ...

Super hard to tell that from the real thing. :up:

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Add some butterfingers and you've the makings of a floorsome foursome there. :yum:

Nice. :cool:

:up: One reason I regularly do Yoga is to avoid this problem of not being able to retrieve and consume floorish food (as the local colloquialism goes)...

Your hostility towards floors is troubling.

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How dare you. @"Michael" Please find a new hobby. This obsession with toilets is obsessive and toilet-like. That can't be good.

I think at some point Hanover will realize we are not "jeering from the sidelines" but expressing sane moral arguments that can only be made from the ...

Yes, Hamas are extremists and I'd put nothing past them. Thankfully, they are not and will never be in that position.

Shooting innocent concert goers and destroying cities of millions of people are not moral actions in this context, I think we agree. Maybe we'd think ...

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I don't know if they would kill literally every Jew in that situation (I wouldn't be very surprised if they would though, sadly) or if Netanyahu would...

:up: Honestly, all anyone has to do to touch base with sanity in this conversation is reread this Reuters quote. Maybe I should just periodically post...

If some magic genie gave Hamas full control over Israel right now (an impossibility for them to achieve militarily) they would seek to do to the Israe...

I'm at least not ''fatally biased'', which affords the moderate achievement of not sounding like a crazy person. Anyhow, if that happened right now, y...

Some folks who are not fatally biased: ''On 12 October, independent United Nations experts ... condemned the "horrific crimes committed by Hamas" and ...

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The fatally biased test. Are you fatally biased? Take the test! They refuse to recognize even our basic right to exist. (Fatally biased: 'That's fine'...

I agree. @"Michael"'s irrational concern is surely based on some deep Freudian neuroticism.

To make an ethical argument requires that we eliminate bias and argue "from the sidelines". You can never do that which is why you never come up with ...

Genocide: "the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group...