Apollodorus

They are stories. That's why it doesn't make sense to read too much into the alleged "five-year gap" for which there is no evidence anyway.

The narrative is in the third person: “When a Samaritan woman came to draw water, Jesus said to her … “ (John 4:7). It isn't Jesus relating it.

Exactly. That's why I said that the alleged "five-year gap" is a false lead and the logical thing to do is to focus on what Plato is trying to tell us...

I think it does matter. If it wasn't Jesus who wrote the story, then it wasn't he who "invented" the story. But I agree that Plato probably invented t...

Not at all. You can thank Wikipedia. Very useful source. And it is always useful to know a bit of history.

Good point. It could well be the case as a theoretical hypothesis, but unlikely as it wasn't Jesus who was telling the story. So, Eco was probably rig...

I believe that it is important to remember that Christianity is a new religion, hence "New Testament" or "New Dispensation". Even Judaism has undergon...

To begin with, it needs to be established that the five-year gap is actual and not just imagined. If it is actual, then it may indeed seem suspicious....

Just as I said from the start. It is a line of inquiry that leads nowhere. Speculation should not be substituted for fact. Any other ideas?

I don't define myself as anything for the purposes of this discussion. You guys are taking things too seriously just like you are taking Euthyphro's c...

OK. Let us suppose, for the sake of argument, that this is the case. Would it be possible to know how this is of relevance to the topic? I hope this i...

Yes. I would imagine it quite possible to discuss the Bible or Christian philosophy without mentioning the Bible - or philosophy. But here are some in...

Correct. It is a vast field of inquiry and it is easy to lose sight of the wood for the trees. I do believe that it is useful to ask questions like (1...

Correct. When taken at face value the two accounts may be thought to be mutually contradictory. But there is no reason why it should be impossible to ...

In the history of biblical interpretation, four major types of hermeneutics have emerged: (1) the literal, (2) moral, (3) allegorical, and (4) anagogi...

Correct. Applying different levels of meaning goes back to Plato and other ancient philosophers and this tradition was continued by the Church Fathers...

Interesting topic. I would say that in the first instance it should be borne in mind that the Church Fathers applied various levels of meaning, such a...

And I dare say it's the other way around. @Fooloso4 instrumentalizes Plato as a rhetorical weapon against them anti-materialists. If my judgement is "...

Some Biblical accounts may be allegorical. In which case they may still be compatible with science. It may also be a matter of perspective. Science st...

Nobody disputes that. But on an online discussion forum you often resort to labels for the sake of brevity. You can't compose an essay every time you ...

:up: Presumably he is far too busy carrying all those degrees he's got to pay attention to what is happening around him.

Socrates? Do you forget that Socrates is just another character in the same narrative by Plato? It is Plato who has them say this or that, is it not? ...

I've already done so. And I provided scholarly opinion in support of my interpretation. But you refuse to acknowledge it and irrationally insists that...

According to some ancient authors Euthyphro is a fictitious character. Your objection may or may not be valid if there was evidence that he was a hist...

The fact is that the scholarship is divided and so is general opinion on how Platonic texts are to be interpreted. Often more than one interpretation ...

Well, with Alexander's conquest of the region, the primary Greek influence would have been political, religious, and social. In cultural terms, I supp...

Good question. The Sadducees were certainly the most Hellenized among religious Jews. Apparently, they controlled the Sanhedrin (named after Greek syn...

Definitely Plotinus. God or Divine Being may be thought of as a being with a myriad faces through which he sees the world. And this goes back to Plato...

Well, we have no direct access to external objects anyway, except through the mind and the senses. But are you saying that the external objects are cr...

That may make an interesting possibility. But as I already pointed out, the text says absolutely nothing about the relationship Euthyphro has with his...

Lol A bit too many "mays" and "ifs", and still no evidence. It can't be established that he is even "trying to be patricide". You just said he was a f...

OK, let's have a look at you new "argument" if that's what it is. This is what you are saying: 1. The death sentence was generally reserved for those ...

If that's what he is "just" saying, I have no problem with it. But what he actually says is this: etc. .... His argument is this: 1. The penalty for m...

That's exactly what I'm saying, viz., you've got no evidence that (a) the penalty for murder was death and (b) the alleged crime was "murder". No evid...

Correct. Platonism had a huge impact on the Roman Empire especially in the east, e.g., Egypt, Palestine, and Syria. There were important Platonic scho...

1. Unfortunately, that is exactly what you have zero evidence for. 2. Precisely. So, it is all speculation. 3. The issue of relevance was in connectio...

I don't dispute that there were excesses under Christian rule that should not have happened. But it could have been worse. Philosophy saw its power an...

Good question. I would say that one way of looking at the theism-atheism issue is that there seems to be no hard evidence for the existence of God. Bu...

1. The text says nothing about Euthyphro’s relationship with his father. There is no indication that he wanted to kill him. 2. The evidence he has or ...

Not entirely true, but probably close enough to pass .... :smile:

I see what you mean. However, the imposition of Christianity, though tending to have a negative impact, was not in the least fatal. The Greeks had eno...

Well, if you take "intention" as the criterion, then I'm afraid you are demolishing your own case. If the court rule would have been a fine or, consid...

There may be some internal tensions within China that the West may be able to exploit to its own advantage - depending on the political will to do so....

I don't think so. It was not Christianity, it was Islam. Christianity did have something to do with it, but not in the way people think. The Byzantine...

I very much doubt that. The court would have first established what the crime was after which it ruled on the exact punishment. I think in this partic...

I know exactly what "patricide" is, thank you. It still doesn't say anywhere that Euthyphro committed patricide. Yes, Plato's wider audience were the ...

What "wider audience" and "what posterity"? Who? The dialogues were read by students of philosophy and other educated people who would have studied ph...

lol I do appreciate your sense of humor but I think you are going a bit off the rails there. He may not show that what he is doing is something the Go...

As i pointed out to @Olivier5:

You are reverting back to materialism, aren't you? Socrates clearly makes no attempt to dissuade Euthyphro. It may at the most be said that he wants h...