Apollodorus

Allow me to try again then. My question was: I think it is a very simple question that is very easy to answer. Will you not tell us where in the Phaed...

Let me repeat the question then: You told us about the translations you are using, which is fine (for now), but not where in the Phaedo Socrates calls...

1. First of all, this is what Socrates is saying and, in the absence of additional information, it is all we have. 2. Why is it "meaningless"? Is the ...

Why would the good hate itself?

So, where in the Phaedo does Socrates call the Forms "hypothesis", and what translation are you using?

Very funny indeed. However, the text says "all the Gods": "I should say that what all the Gods love is holy" (9e). "All the Gods" obviously means "the...

It is clear from the text that what makes the loved by Gods the loved by the Gods is the fact that the Gods love it: Whatever they (the Gods) all love...

The Church was what held the faith and society together. Organized religion may have disadvantages. But what is the alternative? Cultural fragmentatio...

Good question. I think what can be said for sure is that communism can't be the answer. Environmental pollution was appalling in the Soviet Union and ...

As a matter of fact, I wasn't going to answer. However, since you're asking, politeness obliges me to answer.

It isn't about winning. This isn't a debate or competition. Just a friendly exchange of views.

Because people, including yourself, keep asking me questions. And as I am a polite kind of person, I waste my time answering ....

Lol Not at all. The fact that something is loved by the Gods does not mean that it is independent of the Gods. The Gods may perfectly well love what i...

Of course I do. And since you agree with it, you can't deny it.

And yet, so are you.

I think you haven't been following the thread. Socrates believes (and Euthyphro agrees) that the pious/good/just is pious/good/just because it is love...

1. That is your opinion, that, incidentally, is unsupported by the text. 2. I don't believe there is anything to pursue further as you are not contrib...

It isn't a problem that I created. And of course I believe what I like just as you do.

Plato speaks through his characters. And he clearly spoke to his pupils like Aristotle. Unless you believe he was using sign language and even that is...

Why would the Gods hate themselves?

They are not independent, just as sunlight is not independent of the Sun.

That is your opinion. Of course philosophical poetry is used to convey metaphysical concepts and experience. You keep confusing Socrates with Plato an...

Again, you fail to see the fallacy of confusing Socrates with Plato. The theory of Forms was proposed by Plato. Socrates is a character in Plato's dia...

If the attributes/properties of just, good, and divine are divine, then they are part of the divine. They have no separate existence from the divine, ...

"Style of inquiry" that in association with the concept of "Forms" that it evokes in those familiar with Platonic thought, produces a metaphysical mes...

Please re-read my earlier posts. Terms like "idea" and "paradeigma" would evoke the concept of "Forms" in the mind of those familiar with Platonic tho...

What is of particular interest is that Socrates (at 6e) says: "Tell me then what this aspect is, that I may keep my eye fixed upon it and employ it as...

Certainly if we replaced religion with Marxism, for example, the hole-in-the-ground analogy would seem to hold. We are replacing something that is the...

Socrates certainly describes the Forms as causes in the Phaedo. And he doesn't mean that they are mere hypotheses, what he does is to discuss them hyp...

He doesn't call them that in the Euthyphro though. The fact is that the Platonic Forms were simply a way of expressing abstract nouns in the same way ...

And he probably was not wrong. But it does seem that when we deny the existence of something, the human mind has a tendency to fill the gap with a sub...

The term "pattern" (paradeigma) refers to Platonic Forms which, as you yourself admitted, were known to Plato and his immediate disciples at the time ...

Correct. It must be remembered that for Plato to learn was to remember. Therefore, Plato's dialogues are meant to stimulate the soul's innate memory l...

Plato was upper-class and he wrote for the educated upper classes. He also believed in a tripartite soul reflecting the three classes of Athenian soci...

The conclusion seems inescapable. Though it may still somehow escape the atheists.

That's a question that he himself seems unable or unwilling to answer. We are forced to draw our own conclusions.

That's a very good point actually. And, of course, the Athenians believed that what they were doing was right. Moreover, to be fair, they offered to a...

Exactly. That's the dilemma that, allegedly, he "doesn't want to discuss", yet he keeps mentioning it. Not only that, but it seems rather weird not to...

We already know that. What we don't know is what you think the point of this thread is. You said the point is not to show that belief in God in not ne...

I think the matter is becoming more and more mysterious and I fear the answer can only be found in @Fooloso4's psychology. Could there be a reason why...

As a forum member, I have the same rights as other members to post comments. I was under the impression that you wanted to discuss the dialogue to sho...

I see. So can you state very briefly and as clearly as possible what the true point of the thread is?

Good point.

I very much agree. And I believe it is also instructive to see how Christianity viewed Islam and, above all, how it viewed philosophy itself. Most of ...

I for one see no point, to be honest. The OP says: "To answer the question that engendered this post, belief in god is not necessary for being good." ...

It isn't about you either. You keep cluttering up the thread with irrelevant statements.

Of course. That's why justice was divine as in Goddess Dike. I never disputed that.

That's exactly what we've been doing but you keep providing "evidence" that on closer examination turns up to be no such thing, take Ranasinghe, for e...

As usual, you aren't paying attention. As I pointed out to @Frank, the narrative is in the third person and this applies to John, Luke, or any other G...

Well, if Amity is going to delete any posts that are inconvenient to you, then we have no choice but to drop it and move on. People have better thing ...