Apollodorus

Not only that. He clearly says: "Do you mean that I do not believe in the godhead of the Sun or Moon, which is the common creed of all men? You are a ...

That was exactly what I was saying: It is an elementary mistake to mix up the hypothesis with what is being hypothesized about. So, Socrates often use...

Very funny. However, I think the joke is on those who missed the joke. Which is rather more funny than just funny :rofl:

I would say that even more important is evidence. The opinion of so-called "scholars" isn't worth much without evidence, don't you agree? Anyway, are ...

Compulsory reclining at Passover may not be as old as it is thought. "The earliest evidence in m.Pes.10.1, which is difficult to date but is probably ...

There is no historical evidence to support the view that reclining at Passover was particularly old at the time of Jesus. "It seems more likely that r...

That is quite possible. However, reclining at triclinia in the Roman/Greek manner was also practiced among Jews in Roman Palestine. Why would Jesus ha...

And of course you spoke to him and he told you exactly how he felt about it. Therefore you know. Makes perfect sense.

Well, from a Christian viewpoint Jesus was the son of God so it would be difficult to establish to what extent, if any, he was Jewish. There is no evi...

As you can see, @Fooloso4 is using Cicero to interpret Plato. :grin: My own suggestion would be to read Plato's own statements according to which the ...

Yes, the way Socrates and, above all, Plato saw the Forms is definitely insubstantial and immaterial, just like the Forms themselves. That was what I ...

I fully agree with that. Language is an expression of culture. And as Scott Gleaves and other NT scholars have observed, Greek culture and language we...

I find that very interesting too. Of course, in religious terms, if Jesus was the son of God, then there would be no reason why he shouldn't speak sev...

I think that to understand an author's mode of thinking and what message he might intend to convey it would be useful to read all or most of his dialo...

I don't see where Socrates says "the Forms are hypotheses". According to Plato they are realities. "Plato's Socrates held that the world of Forms is t...

That is a very good observation. It is often overlooked that the Greek-speaking part of the Roman Empire that included Egypt, Syria, and Palestine, wa...

1. I meant other writings by Plato as in other dialogues of his. 2. Plato did not write for himself, he wrote for his immediate disciples and wider au...

Platonism in general, perhaps. But surely not Plato's views in a discussion of a work by Plato. For a proper understanding of the dialogue I think it ...

Absolutely. One current of thought would have it that the OT is purely Hebrew or Jewish but this has little to do with historical fact. We mustn't los...

That is due to two or more levels of worldview and experience: 1. To the Platonists, God, Ultimate Reality or Universal Consciousness is everything. P...

Correct. Hence the cardinal virtues of (1) Temperance, (2) Fortitude, (3) Prudence, and (4) Justice or Righteousness, shared by both Platonism and Chr...

"The Christian metaphysic is rooted in the biblical metaphysic of God as "Maker of Heaven and earth".:25 Philosopher Mark Smith explains that, in the ...

I think the Bible does provide some metaphysical as well as ethical teachings but they tend to be in an undeveloped form which is why it is important ...

Correct. The writings of the Church Fathers also make interesting reading and it is instructive to see the close connections between Christian and Gre...

Good point. It seems plausible that in most cases it comes down to rash decisions motivated by overpowering emotional states that the person in questi...

Well, as already stated, the difficulty arises from an incorrect or incomplete grasp of Greek or Platonic terminology. The world is generally admitted...

Plato gives no detailed or scientific definition because they are said to be metaphysical realities. But they are a type of eternal universals, “ideal...

Just because you say so?

Maybe it has indeed. And what better place to find that out than a prestigious philosophy forum like this?

I think it is you who are playing a game of hide-and-seek by refusing to answer legitimate questions. How do you propose to have a conversation when y...

Well, why don't you put the two statements together and show us how to do it? So, this is one statement: "On each occasion I put down as hypothesis wh...

Reading the dialogue in a Platonic sense or senses is exactly what I have been proposing. Unfortunately, some started bringing Abrahamic religions int...

According to Plotinus, the human soul emanates from the One and eventually returns to the One. So, yes, it is essentially divine, as Plato says.

Of course I know. That's exactly what Plotinus and other Platonists are saying, not to mention followers of Advaita Vedanta and other monistic systems...

I tend to think so too. Unfortunately, the text isn't very helpful. That's why I suggested, as others have done, to see if the dialogue has a range of...

:rofl: Obviously, "noun" or "adjective" is irrelevant here for the reason already indicated above, viz., the original Greek phrase is ???????? ??? ???...

That would appear to be the logical implication. However, as already stated, I believe that it is necessary to go by what Socrates says as there is no...

BTW, thanks for pointing out that "loved" and "beloved" are synonyms. It looks like the dictionary now agrees with you. I don't know how you managed t...

1. You are not saying what translation that is, or what passage number. You may have good reason to omit this, but it is unclear what it is or how we ...

I never said it was. Of course not. I'm taking a statement by Socrates as a starting point for a constructive interpretation of the text. By contrast,...

I was beginning to think this thread was turning into some kind of platform for evangelists and other fundamentalists. Thanks to your considered inter...

The dishonesty is entirely yours. Though, quite possibly, you aren't aware of it. In relation to the passages under discussion, there is no difference...

1. OK. Since you don't disagree, I take it as an admission that nowhere in the Phaedo does Socrates say "the Forms are hypothesis". 2. And, no, I don'...

How on earth is it "dishonest"??? Socrates’ question is, “Is that which is pious loved by the gods because it is pious, or is it pious because it is l...

Well, @Fooloso4 didn't complain, did he? He said: I'm talking about "loved" or "beloved" as in "person or thing loved by the Gods". Edit. @Fooloso4 ag...

I think "loved" or "beloved" is "person or thing that is loved": Noun beloved (plural beloveds) 1. Someone who is loved; something that is loved. belo...

So, the sentence "the Forms are hypothesis" or "the Forms are hypotheses" does not occur anywhere in the Phaedo. Do you agree or not?

It is a valid Christian perspective. Nobody doubts what your opinion is. However, for Christians, Christianity is what they believe their religion to ...

So, the sentence "the Forms are hypothesis" or "the Forms are hypotheses" does not occur anywhere in the Phaedo. Do you agree?

I think "loved" or "beloved" is "person or thing that is loved": Noun beloved (plural beloveds) 1. Someone who is loved; something that is loved. belo...