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Yes, and there's still a shallow area around there, a sandbank called Dogger Bank.

That's the one.

Last year.

On the other hand... In an introduction to Adorno's essay, "Subject and Object," Ruth Groff succinctly summarizes his view: Assuming this is correct (...

I'm glad we found some agreement MU. However, I don't know what to say about the other stuff. You didn't like what I had to say before, but now you're...

Currently: Adorno: The Recovery of Experience by Roger Foster, which is densely analytical but great. Open Socrates by Agnes Callard, which is also gr...

Yep. Although I obviously don’t think this relation itself is “within the individual person,” it’s true that Adorno is interested, in the introduction...

Thanks :smile: Yeah, but in his utopian mode I think he would say not that philosophy is superior, but that all thinking, scientific-empirical and oth...

Introduction: QUALITY AND THE INDIVIDUATED (i) The bolded "this" must, I think, refer back to the "quantifying tendency". It and its claim to be the o...

Nae bother pal. :cool:

Well, I've really tried to be clear but the more I say, the less of my view you seem to understand. I have not said and would not say that concepts ar...

@"Metaphysician Undercover" It occurs to me that you are thinking of Adorno's non-conceptual along the lines of Kant's manifold or Bergson's (naturall...

But where? I don't see the evidence in those quotations. Note what I said before about that section: The last point there sort of aligns with your cur...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f964Vf5HkWc

Introduction: Qualitative Moment of Rationality Here he contrasts actually existing rationality with ratio, or "ratio in itself". The latter is reason...

Yeah, ok :up: Exactly.

I disagree. He's not a naive realist, and he's not a realist in any other ordinary way, but I don't think he believes that reality is constituted by t...

For Adorno, this is very much not the case. Can you remember which passages made you so convinced of this? Of course not, I wouldn't make that claim. ...

What I know of his philosophical work doesn't excite me much (though I like some of it) but I loved his appearances on Bryan Magee's BBC philosophy TV...

Something else I meant to say is that Adorno very intentionally avoids defining the non-conceptual, because to do so would be to reify it, to solidify...

Agreed! It seemed to me that rather than trying to understand, you were just automatically gainsaying anything I said, scoring points by fisking. Year...

Please start a new discussion for that, because it doesn’t belong here. This thread is for those who are reading Negative Dialectics to discuss the bo...

I'm more than willing but the missus has reservations.

:chin: I'll be eating it with toast and butter, using this bread: https://i.postimg.cc/9FvZhkDs/PXL-20250929-150338462-2.jpg

So I made my dogberry jam. I’m very pleased with the result, which is a surprisingly homogeneous deep red jelly-like substance, sweet enough but also ...

So you tried the Kantian angle, and now it's Marxism. What will you be throwing at me next? The ontological status of concepts is a red herring. It do...

I too purchased a berry product yesterday: https://i.postimg.cc/qRtBLFzB/PXL-20250929-041511094-2.jpg Cranberry sauce. I use cranberry sauce and lingo...

Introduction: Privilege of Experience (ii) When Adorno uses the term "experience" recall that the introduction is meant to be an account of intellectu...

I think our views can probably be made to come out as consistent. :up:

We've been here before. Remember that what we're doing is trying to understand what Adorno means. It's clear that he does not think that when we talk ...

The non-conceptual is whatever isn't conceptual, which comes down mainly to two specific overlapping meanings: (a) it's what philosophical thought is ...

Yeah I must be reaching that point soon!

I think it was in his 1950s essay on the American attitude to foreign berries, but I'm not sure.

That's the spirit :cool:

Huh? I quoted Outlander.

Because you don't see them in American supermarkets, I suppose. This is what Adorno means by ideology.

That's a good honest northern berry. I also saw these yesterday and thought I'd been drinking too much dogberry brandy: https://static.onecms.io/wp-co...

Yes, I think that's what the babushka said they were. Good work.

I'm not a barbarian

I've never seen kalamata olives coloured carmine, scarlet, and candy apple red, so it makes sense that they're not kalamata olives. You can make a spr...

Ok, I might make some jam.

The system of growing or picking things and taking them to the central market has worked pretty well for a couple of thousand years too.

I got these at the market because I'd never seen them before, and I still don't know what they are. They're sweet and sour and taste like jam. https:/...

This post from earlier in the discussion might help: https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/990809

Introduction: Privilege of Experience The point of this section is to defend, against charges of elitism, the necessity for a difficult, non-conformis...

Yes, it definitely cleared up some things for me.

Very nice summary :up:

Yes, he certainly does think that the non-conceptual is the proper object of study, which is to say content, of philosophy. And the non-conceptual can...

Analytic philosophy.

Oh yeah! That was interesting. I even contributed a few posts myself, so maybe you're right and I heard it there.