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If there is a Truth, it is objective and completely free from opinion

philosophience wordpress com October 04, 2020 at 18:31 5325 views 19 comments
If a fundamental Truth exists I imagine it has to do with the way matter and energy have been created, or – if always existed – how and mostly why is there something rather than nothing. Or if matter exists in reality as we perceive it. In one way or another the Truth is non-human and never can be accessible to us (always as I see the whole …matter!).
Of course there are “minor truths” here and there that humans can – often partly – obtain. Newton’s laws has served – and serves – us well, though we now know that they are only a fraction of the “cosmological Truth”. In conclusion, if there is a Truth, it cannot be other than objective, because no intelligent agent can have access within “It” in order to express a subjective opinion about “It”. https://philosophience.wordpress.com/2020/10/03/contemplations-iii-objective-and-inaccessable/

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Outlander October 04, 2020 at 20:10 #458846
How would you classify the idea that Earth has gravity and we're all bound by it? It's a fact we can observe it- however this fact is due to more complex processes. Basically in theory it's not impossible for the Earth to lose its gravity one day and therefore said fact is no longer a fact.

That's why I consider most all aspects of reality circumstance and little more. Essentially that reality is dynamic and things can and do change not just in perspective and understanding ie. the idea of the Sun revolving around the Earth (at no point was this an actuality however by all observable understanding it did and everyone thought so) but also in large fundamental changes like in the previous example about gravity or if the Earth has a polar shift or something major that effects everything we think we know about something.

Curious as to your thoughts. Fact vs. truth vs. Truth vs. reality vs. circumstance, etc?
Banno October 04, 2020 at 21:13 #458861
Reply to philosophience wordpress com You're simply misusing the notion of truth. There's more to doing philosophy than making up stories.
creativesoul October 04, 2020 at 21:15 #458862
Looks like using the forum for a free advertising campaign...
philosophience wordpress com October 04, 2020 at 21:44 #458876
Reply to creativesoul If there is advertizing in there, I myself can not see them and surely I earn absolutely nothing. I do not care about extra money, that is why I have the simplest costfree form of wordpress. I am family phycisian in Sweden and earn very good money. I just wanted to write my thoughts in a more structured way in a blog istead of single writings here and there that would disappear. But why was that more interesting to you than the essence of what I wrote? You do not have to agree, write your opinion and I ll respect it.
philosophience wordpress com October 04, 2020 at 21:47 #458878
Reply to Banno Thank you for your advice. You are very kind! I am sure you are here to learn and exchange ideas in a respectful way. Good luck!
creativesoul October 04, 2020 at 21:48 #458880
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What sort of things can be true and what makes them so?
Outlander October 04, 2020 at 22:05 #458885
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Definitely should have an admin shorten his username to the first word. Just looks spammy. Could easily post excerpts for discussion without leading to an external site.
PoeticUniverse October 04, 2020 at 22:11 #458889
Quoting philosophience wordpress com
or – if always existed – how and mostly why is there something rather than nothing.


The 'something' is not optional, for there is something, plus 'nothing' cannot even be meant.

What is objective is what is common to all; if its degrees can vary across individuals then that aspect of it is subjective.
philosophience wordpress com October 05, 2020 at 04:53 #458946
Reply to Outlander Hi! It is a philosophical blog. Why looks spammy to you? It didn't look stramge to admin because they know purpose here is to talk about ideas and exchange opinions. So you can cite en excerpt från a book or an article and give the source, but whem I do this it is peculiar to you. I gave the whole text before the link so you do not have to open it. It is for those who want to read it from the original and for those who liked it and want to read more fron the writer. Think about what you wrote and consider why are you here?
philosophience wordpress com October 05, 2020 at 07:53 #458960
Reply to PoeticUniverse Thanks for your opinion!
philosophience wordpress com October 05, 2020 at 08:05 #458961
Reply to Outlander Thanks for your comment!

Then the fact is not that Earth's magnetism is unchangable but that it has the potential to change or be reversed. This is the fact. Science can not get the 100% of things but is a method that help us come as close as it gets.
Pop October 05, 2020 at 23:11 #459154
Reply to philosophience wordpress com @Possibility

Good topic, You are saying that if a fundamental truth exists, it must be objective. lets test this.

RNA and DNA is the fundamental information creating life.
It is a fundamental truth. Probably not what you were expecting, but relevant to the topic as this fundamental information effects all subsequent information following it.

Is it objective, or is it biased?

A bias is an aversion to be one way, and an attraction to be the opposite way. It is a very basic emotion.
In science a bias is a systemic error.
Deleted User October 05, 2020 at 23:24 #459156
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SophistiCat October 06, 2020 at 10:31 #459231
Reply to philosophience wordpress com You could just put a link to your blog in your profile, as others do, instead of billboarding it on your user name.
philosophience wordpress com October 06, 2020 at 11:00 #459236
Reply to SophistiCat Thanks a lot for the advice!
Deleted User October 06, 2020 at 13:37 #459252
Quoting Pop
RNA and DNA is the fundamental information creating life.
It is a fundamental truth.
RNA and DNA is a truth?


Wouldn't a truth be in words? Just as a falsehood is.
Pop October 06, 2020 at 23:11 #459365
Reply to Coben Hi.

I think , the truth initially exists as information that is interpreted and then put into words.

The question is whether DNA is biased? I suppose you would ask in relation to what? It doesn't really matter what, proof of any sort of bias would do, but I was particularly wondering in relation to the questing of live or die?

Looking at the world around me, It seems DNA is overwhelmingly biased to live.
A counter argument would be that it dose not have this choice, It was entirely determined due to external forces, in which case it is still biased, but due to external forces.

Either way it seems biased. What do you think?

A bias is not objective or reasonable information, it is affective or emotional information. Or it could be argued that it is objective and reasonable to make DNA biased to strengthen its fitness for survival.

All roads seem to lead to biased, or am I missing something?


TheMadFool October 07, 2020 at 00:44 #459387
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If truth you're after
Doubt you must beat
Descarte the rafter
Cogito the only truth we'll ever meet
In the ocean of ignorance thereafter
rest awhile, take a seat.

PeterJones October 19, 2020 at 16:04 #462688
Reply to philosophience wordpress com I would agree with little of the OP. You are putting the case from an exoteric/materialist/realist standpoint.- from which standpoint you would be correct? But is the standpoint correct. I would say definitely not. You're suggesting that the knowledge claims of the mystics are false even though they cannot be falsified. I would suggest they cannot be falsified because they are grounded in knowledge. . .

We needn't argue. I'm just throwing in an idea you do not seem to have considered.