ArguingWAristotleTiffJanuary 06, 2019 at 14:57#2436330 likes
Whew! @Baden Bless his heart! :pray:
He was able to reach out into the great beyond the Forum and guide me back home! :100:
It's good to be home~ :hearts:
ArguingWAristotleTiffJanuary 06, 2019 at 14:58#2436360 likes
Reply to Baden Thank you from the bottom of my heart! :clap:
I apologize in advance for the shade you are going to be in for bringing me back as some might think me floating out in the ether might not be such a bad idea! :smirk:
ArguingWAristotleTiffJanuary 06, 2019 at 14:59#2436370 likes
I don't understand the connection between these two statements. A penguin's "wings" are actually flippers and are used for swimming rather than flying, so they're not useless.
You ain't no peng'un historian, Mikey. Don't be given papa Hanover no lip or you'll be in for a good hidin'. Your kind ain't welcome around these parts. Take your new spangled intellectualism elsewhere. You hear me, boy?
I don't understand the connection between these two statements. A penguin's "wings" are actually flippers and are used for swimming rather than flying, so they're not useless.
Yeah, well don't criticize what you can't understand. For a comprehensive list of flightless birds, see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flightless_bird.
Penguins used to fly. https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiX9OfN3NrfAhVQS60KHVisD1oQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.nationalgeographic.com%2Fnews%2F2013%2F13%2F131320-penguin-evolution-science-flight-diving-swimming-wings%2F&psig=AOvVaw3JKG3NSdJcp2mU9eGjADBX&ust=1546917961103347
In fact, when I was kid, I had a pet flying penguin. His name was Corky and he could talk Gaelic and he ate cheese fries, but I had to get rid of him because of his porn addiction and racist humor. No one could make this up, so it must be true.
Reply to Hanover So what you're saying is that your statement regarding Baden's useless appendage really was unconnected to your statement regarding penguins?
But, if a chicken really wanted to it could fly... I mean, just as an experiment keep on chasing it and make it fly.
Darlin, I am with you. I have seen a flock of chickens flutter off when being chased by dogs. Not my dogs of course and well not my chickens but none the less they survived by running lifting their fluff off the ground high enough and long enough. :wink:
So what you're saying is that your statement regarding Baden's useless appendage really was unconnected to your statement regarding penguins?
Well, you just have to think it through more thoroughly, as in the appendage is useless for how it was originally intended, but since it's there, it might as well be taken advantage of. I'm not sure what Baden uses his now obsolete appendage for, but I'm sure it's for something and it's not entirely ornamental. You'll have to ask him for more specifics.
Darlin, I am with you. I have seen a flock of chickens flutter off when being chased by dogs. Not my dogs of course and well not my chickens but none the less they survived by running lifting their fluff off the ground high enough and long enough. :wink:
Poor chickens. You just have to train them and they could fly around.
Yes, I am [s]wallowing[/s] ehem, I mean wondering if some predator chased a chicken in a field, would it be able to sustain flight or would eventually be caught by said predator.
I have seen a flock of chickens flutter off when being chased by dogs. Not my dogs of course and well not my chickens but none the less they survived by running lifting their fluff off the ground high enough and long enough. :wink:
When I was a wee lad, my head no higher than a grasshopper, barely able to see above the blades, there was a family with a pet turkey, who I shall today name Kevin. Kevin used to get chased by the dogs as well and that would create quite the ruckus as no one wanted to see Kevin be made supper. Once Kevin was cornered on Robbie's front porch and we thought that the end of Kevin, but Kevin did as you said. He flapped furiously and gained enough height to soar over the railing where he lived to see another day.
I know this tale was fascinating. If you're interested, I'll tell you about the friendly squirrel who I shall today name Joseph Alan, who met a fate not worse than death, but exactly equal to death when he bit the power line. Prior to that, he would eat nuts out the hands of the neighbor children, so there was a certain sadness in laying Joseph Alan to rest. I was a pall bearer, walking sullenly holding the tiny casket in my kilt as the bagpipes played Lady Gaga's "Bad Romance" in an odd historically impossible moment.
And yes, I shall continue to tell absurd stories until someone bests me.
And yes, I shall continue to tell absurd stories until someone bests me.
My little white faced monkey got chased by the dog of my neighbor (not my neighbor's dog, he was cute) he ran up a power pole and crossed the wires on a transformer. There was not much of him left to bury but everyone remembers how a monkey took out the power in half of the town.
Reply to frank Yeah, that's a thing. Under stress, women self destruct while men destroy all that's around them. Teenage boys don't cut themselves, they knock holes in walls.
Reply to Sir2u Sorry about your monkey. My pet monkey got chased up a tree by a cobra, met a sloth, fell in love, had kittens, lost his foot to diabetes, and died penniless and alone. He insisted upon being buried face down so the world could kiss his ass.
Yeah, that's a thing. Under stress, women self destruct while men destroy all that's around them. Teenage boys don't cut themselves, they knock holes in walls.
My monkey joined a Russian mystical cult and is presently stuck in another dimension where he faces his darkest fears over and over. The leader of the cult told me I could get him out for a small contribution to the cult, but I said no, it serves him right for peeing on my couch.
ArguingWAristotleTiffJanuary 10, 2019 at 14:31#2447820 likes
Do you think women are more self-destructive than men? I'm asking because of a movie I saw recently.
I find this oddly comforting that I agree with @Hanover and his explanation. Though there are some men that cross the line into self destruction as I am sure there are women that cross the line into physical destruction.
There have been only two times in my life where I lost control of my physical actions and punched a wall. The first time was during the initial impact of losing my Dad after I lost it emotionally, I punched a barn wall.
The other time was immediately after having to put my 7 year old Rottie, PERFECT in the MIND but had broken his back. After I had to make the call to have him put down, was with him of full mind and had to end his life. That made me punch a dashboard of the car I was a passenger in on the way home from that.... damn it
There have been only two times in my life where I lost control of my physical actions and punched a wall. The first time was during the initial impact of losing my Dad after I lost it emotionally, I punched a barn wall.
The other time was immediately after having to put my 7 year old Rottie, PERFECT in the MIND but had broken his back. After I had to make the call to have him put down, was with him of full mind and had to end his life. That made me punch a dashboard of the car I was a passenger in on the way home from that.... damn it
Like fighting back when something is very painful. I think that's just human, not male or female.
There have been only two times in my life where I lost control of my physical actions and punched a wall.
Once I was trying to start my weed wacker and I kept pulling the starter and it wouldn't start until finally I pulled something in my shoulder, so I threw it off into the creek, and as it spun toward its death, I thought to myself maybe there was a better way.
You know how like when you say something and you want to grab it from the air and put it back into your mouth before it's heard. Sort of like that.
It might just be that each punch mark in the drywall documents not fleeting individual frustration but cumulative lifetime frustration that just now and then releases.
With the greatest respect, your attempt at sarcasm falls short of the commonly accepted standard this side of the pond, but I hear what you say, of course.
Yes, I know you're impressed. You'll have to come over for dinner some time and we can discuss it further. I'll provide the main course and you can bring the dessert. I like a good tart.
If you can get into the habit of writing a thousand on-topic words a day, you'll have a book worth's of editable material in around two months. By then a form organisation that works will probably have come to you (if you don't have that already).
It is. Especially if you've got a day job. But I'd still advise you to pick a number (whatever seems feasible) and stick to it. It quickly becomes a matter of habit then. And you might surprise yourself with what comes to you while putting in the time to get your words on the page.
VagabondSpectreJanuary 17, 2019 at 03:20#2469010 likes
Reply to Maw Writing whole books ain't easy (and if it is, you're not writing good books).
I reckon non-fiction is much easier to write than fiction, but I'm guessing fiction is what you wish to write (don't we all?).
Here are some tips that might get you started:
What's a "story" anyway? When does it begin, what makes it good, and when does it end?
Stories begin when a character(s) encounter(s) a conflict/obstacle/problem/hurtle/enemy/challenge; stories get good when we relate to/identify with those character(s); and stories resolve/end when the characters overcome (or fail to overcome) a central or series of conflicts.
The more we are able to identify with (and what) the characters are feeling (especially re: motives), the more we relate to them, the more believable they are, and the more we become immersed in and with their situation.
The more conflict, generally, the better. Stories get interesting when something that triggers emotion happens, and the most reliable way to trigger emotion is to put your relatable characters through emotionally poignant ordeals.
If you focus on writing which develops relatable characters, and expose those relatable characters to conflict which is important to them (and therefore triggers emotion in the reader), you will be well on your way to completing a healthy story. The nature of the characters and the conflict should help you determine the appropriate ending, which seems to be far less important than establishing the fundamental bare bones of a compelling story to begin with...
When it comes to writing relatable characters, remember: show, don't tell: e.g:
James was a bank robber, as cruel and greedy as any that have come before him. That morning he took down a bank by violently threatening the manager.
vs
"Just as the office doors clicked shut, James pulled out his switchblade and grabbed a handful of the bank manager's hair. He leaned in while pressing the blade against her throat, and whispered intensely "You're gonna get your keys and take me to see the deposit boxes. Try to run, make sudden movements, or anything else, and they'll be counting the holes I put in you. Do I make myself clear?".
The other tip with regard to relatable characters is to always consider what they want. If the reader can tell what your character wants (and why for bonus points) then they will be able to identify with them. Even if characters are nothing like the reader, we're still capable of using our imagination and can still experience emotions from different perspectives (which is kind of the point of storytelling).
Want/motivation, conflict, action/resolution; focus on these fundamentals!
The only other tip is that first drafts should be uncomfortable and fraught with issues. After you produce a chunk of writing, set it aside for several hours or days and come back to it with fresh eyes. When you do review your own writing, focusing on the few basics I've outlined should help you make productive edits rather than being overcome with self-doubt.
If you're looking for something to get started with, writing prompts are a good way to force yourself to actually begin. Stories don't need to have the creativity of Star Wars or the complexity of the Lord of The Rings to be good, but they do need emotionally identifiable characters, and conflict which compels action, and you can do that with just about anything.
Here's a prompt (for a short) you can challenge yourself with: want: someone desperately wants to be the first person into a movie theater to acquire the very best seat. obstacle/conflict: there is a sea of strangers in front of them, who are equally obsessed with the film in question
Excellent distillation of what a ton of books on writing novels take hundreds of pages to say. :up: Of course, some of the best novels ever take this advice and crap all over it (Ulysses, Gravity's Rainbow, Infinite Jest etc.) but it's a good place to start anyhow. :sparkle:
VagabondSpectreJanuary 17, 2019 at 23:01#2471820 likes
Excellent distillation of what a ton of books on writing novels take hundreds of pages to say. :up: Of course, some of the best novels ever take this advice and crap all over it (Ulysses, Gravity's Rainbow, Infinite Jest etc.) but it's a good place to start anyhow. :sparkle:
Thanks!
Naturally, you are right. I've overstated the case by ignoring the many other (often experimental) angles of approach to storytelling. Many say Ulysses is the best piece of english literature ever produced, and it doesn't really conform at all to the standard get-started formulae (I tried reading it when I was younger but just couldn't penetrate it).
The road less traveled can definitely make a difference (for better or worse), but the well-tried path will never fail you!
My company just hired someone new who’ll be working under me (cause I’m the lead) but they’ve offered him more money than they’re paying me because they’re desperate and it’s what he demanded. I’m thinking of quitting on principle.
I just got a pay rise two months ago after my promotion. Although it's actually currently half a pay rise as I don't get the full amount until May. And this new guy is getting more than that full May amount.
At the very least I might demand the full raise now. I do get bigger bonuses but I shouldn't have to depend on bonuses to get paid more than my junior.
At the very least make sure to make his work-life a living hell. That would be completely unfair and inappropriate, but will surely make you feel a lot better about the whole thing.
Reply to Baden Nah, being spiteful to someone being paid more than me would make me feel even more pathetic.
I'll just tell my boss that I want to be paid more and imply that I'll quit if I don't. It's a win-win really as either I get the money or I have the motivation to do something different with my life. I've been having something of an existential crisis recently so an excuse to move cities or to go back travelling might be a good thing.
I'll just tell my boss that I want to be paid more and imply that I'll quit if I don't. It's a win-win really as either I get the money or I have the motivation to do something different with my life. I've been having something of an existential crisis recently so an excuse to move cities or to go back travelling might be a good thing.
I've been having something of an existential crisis recently so an excuse to move cities or to go back travelling might be a good thing.
Move to Atlanta. You can shine my shoes. In your spare time (because I only have one pair), you can write a book no one will read (this is the clever literary device known as foreshadowing, just you wait...).
[quote="Maw;245954]"I wanna write a book but have no idea how to start (no snarky comments pls) [/quote] Write whatever you want, no one's gonna read it.
That's not snarky btw. It's the clever foreshadowing reveal, the culmination of the stage I set, a dazzling array of coming together of seemingly otherwise unrelated posts.
A slow applause fills the room: clap: :clap: :clap:
Lawyers don’t wear shoes. You all have cloven hoofs. Or is it your version of stamp collecting? Probably with the owners’ feet still inside. I know how much you like feet.
I'll just tell my boss that I want to be paid more and imply that I'll quit if I don't.
Do I see a Michexit on the horizon? Just like Brexit, I think you should decide to leave, but then do the math, realize it's risky, and then, for fear of doom and gloom, stay where you are and cling tightly to safety of your fetters.
As influential as 180 Proof was to my intellectual development and issues in philosophy I'm interested in, it's hard to look back and not see that he was quite wrong on several things.
Do I see a Michexit on the horizon? Just like Brexit, I think you should decide to leave, but then do the math, realize it's risky, and then, for fear of doom and gloom, stay where you are and cling tightly to safety of your fetters.
Unlike Brexit I'll have a plan in place before I hand in my notice.
Ah, of course, @Wallows is an updated version of ModBot. An algorithm that asks questions derived from our posts, occasionally throwing in something that has been randomly generated.
I'm going to write a book that no one will read about a mischievous young man - an anti-hero of sorts - who tries his very best to restrain himself from making snarky comments about a guy he knows who posted a comment on a forum saying that he would like to write a book, but has no idea how to start.
I'm also going to invent a clever literary device I'll name a "callback"
Aptly named even before it gets invented.
"callback": A request by the manufacturer of a defective product to return the product (as for replacement or repair)
ArguingWAristotleTiffJanuary 20, 2019 at 16:26#2483110 likes
For the love of @Hanover and @Baden well being,
would someone please save me from 8hrs of PRE-Algebra every day for the last 7 days?
For ducks sake this class is online until the middle of May AND I ACTUALLY have to learn this stuff, THIS time around, since I need to pass the NEXT Algebra class to satisfy my Bachelors degree in Social Work.
If someone could please provide me with a real life scenario of a Social worker and their patients, in an Algebraic expression, that will FLIPPING matter to my degree, I will pay you handsomely in praise!
Do I sound a bit salty about this digit and letter flip fest? :chin:
ArguingWAristotleTiffJanuary 20, 2019 at 16:27#2483120 likes
And how screwed I am going to be when 2 more classes start on Jan. 28th?
Soooooooooooooooooooooo screwed! :scream:
If someone could please provide me with a real life scenario of a Social worker and their patients, in an Algebraic expression, that will FLIPPING matter to my degree, I will pay you handsomely in praise!
Sure, rent is $1200 and you earn $10/hour as a social worker. You're taxed at 28%. Each client spends 45 minutes with you. How many clients do you need to see a month to make rent?
Sure, rent is $1200 and you earn $10/hour as a social worker. You're taxed at 28%. Each client spends 45 minutes with you. How many clients do you need to see a month to make rent?
Not enough info. What are the tax brackets? How much are the expenses for things like food, clothes, and gigolos? Does she live in a neighborhood with a high chance of being mugged?
Not enough info. What are the tax brackets? How much are the expenses for things like food, clothes, and gigolos? Does she live in a neighborhood with a high chance of being mugged?
Good questions. Taking them one at a time: 28% of her $10 is taken directly by Trump. She eats only bread, feta cheese, and turnips at $3 per day and a quarter. I'm not sure what you charge for gigolo fee, but I'm sure it's well worth it whatever it is. She does the mugging and earns $2,500 per hour, taxed at 35%, which she dutifully reports and pays.
"callback": A request by the manufacturer of a defective product to return the product (as for replacement or repair)
Yes, I was thinking of you when I came up with the name. What are we to do with you? I don't think that repair is a viable option. Might have to go with replacement.
Yes, I was thinking of you when I came up with the name.
How could you even think about calling me back when I have never called you in the first place? That is dumb.
Why would I want you to call me? You are beginning to sound a little perverted.
Is that some sort of projection of yourself, are you repairable? I have always wondered about your limited intelligence and fixation on spelling and grammar, your are a bot posting as if you are human.
I have always wondered about your limited intelligence and fixation on spelling and grammar, your are a bot posting as if you are human.
I'm just a big fan of irony, and I love the irony of an English teacher (or former English teacher) who has below par grammar, yet either doesn't realise it or is in denial about it.
I'm just a big fan of irony, and I love the irony of an English teacher, or former English teacher, who has below par grammar, yet either doesn't realise[realize] it or is in denial about it.
So basically you admit that you love low quality stuff.
You obviously love yourself a lot.
Therefore you must be low quality stuff yourself.
Now that is what is ironic.
And sentences with 4 commas are not really a good thing to write. For a person that professes to know everything I would have thought that you would know that already.
I'm just a big fan of irony, A complete sentence, it does not need anything else and the next clause is irrelevant to this.
and I love the irony of an English teacher, or former English teacher, Another complete sentence. One that does follow on from the previous. There is no reason for them to be part of a complex sentence as neither qualify as a subordinate clause to the other.
,who has below par grammar,
This is a restrictive relative clause, you do not put commas around it.
If I was not so busy cutting my nails I would rewrite it properly for you.
So basically you admit that you love low quality stuff.
You obviously love yourself a lot.
Therefore you must be low quality stuff yourself.
Now that is what is ironic.
And sentences with 4 commas are not really a good thing to write. For a person that professes to know everything I would have thought that you would know that already.
I'm just a big fan of irony, A complete sentence, it does not need anything else and the next clause is irrelevant to this.
and I love the irony of an English teacher, or former English teacher, Another complete sentence. One that does follow on from the previous. There is no reason for them to be part of a complex sentence as neither qualify as a subordinate clause to the other.
,who has below par grammar,
This is a restrictive relative clause, you do not put commas around it.
If I was not so busy cutting my nails I would rewrite it properly for you.
And I know it pushes your buttons.
— S
Now you are getting kinky. Do I have to ask the mods for a restraining order against you? Keep away from my buttons.
Sorry, did you say something? I was paying very little attention. However, I did notice that you erroneously tried to correct a British English spelling to an American English spelling. You'll never guess where I'm from.
And, you can, never, have too many, commas, in, a sentence. Trust me, I know that because I have all of the right answers.
However, I did notice that you erroneously tried to correct a British English spelling to an American English spelling. You'll never guess where I'm from.
And you will never guess where I am from. Manchester.
And you will never guess where I am from. Manchester.
That should be a single sentence with a colon instead of a full stop. I'm from a part of England where they teach you things like that in school, instead of a place where children drop out of school to write songs about cigarettes and alcohol.
That should be a single sentence with a colon instead of a full stop.
No it should not. You must try to understand that the way you do things is not the only way that is right.
Colons are usually used before lists or extra information to complete the sentence. Most of the time the sentence would either make no sense or change in meaning if the information following the colon was not there.
The sentence I wrote says exactly what I wanted to say as opposed to what you want it to mean. I did not have to add the extra information.
I'm from a part of England where they teach you things like that in school,
What they teach in schools is usually different from what the students actually learn. I went to 13 different schools in England, Canada and in the U.S.A. and learned several ways to do things.
instead of a place where children drop out of school to write songs about cigarettes and alcohol.
So you live in a poor part of the country? Actually I have no idea what it is like in Manchester nowadays, I have not been there for more than 40 years.
No it should not. You must try to understand that the way you do things is not the only way that is right.
Colons are usually used before lists or extra information to complete the sentence. Most of the time the sentence would either make no sense or change in meaning if the information following the colon was not there.
The sentence I wrote says exactly what I wanted to say as opposed to what you want it to mean. I did not have to add the extra information.
You're pretty clueless, aren't you? A colon is supposed to be used to explicate something like that, and the way that you split the sentence into two separate sentences resulted in the second sentence being incomplete.
Perhaps you should restudy your primary school level English grammar.
A colon is supposed to explicate something like that, and the way that you split the sentence into two separate sentences resulted in the second sentence being incomplete.
Did you not read what I wrote before? I did not write a sentence that included the word Manchester, I just answered your statement. Manchester was added as an after thought because I figured that you would never guess.
As I believe I have mentioned on numerous occasions, I write what I mean. The way you read it and what you might want to think it means is your problem.
Did you not read what I wrote before? I did not write a sentence that included the word Manchester, I just answered your statement. Manchester was added as an after thought because I figured that you would never guess.
As I believe I have mentioned on numerous occasions, I write what I mean. The way you read it and what you might want to think it means is your problem.
No, I didn't read what you wrote before. I assumed that it was something along the lines of, "Y'all right our kid? What it is right, me boiler's gone and me 'ouse is dead cold! You don't get owt for nowt! Mad fer it!".
There really is no need for Baden's input. Just see here, for example. It explains when it can be used, what the rules are, and gives multiple examples.
[quote=GrammarBook.com]
He got what he worked for: a promotion.
You know what to do: practice.[/quote]
Now compare that with, "You'll never guess where I'm from: Manchester".
It clearly fits. That's a better way of doing it than how the Mancunian did it, but he'll never admit it. Or maybe he'll try to deny that it was a mistake by claiming that he did it on purpose to push my buttons.
As for the grammar, we don't edit the place like it's an academic journal. So, non-standard use of punctuation and/or sentence structure is no concern of ours as long as meaning is clear (and it doesn't get messy).
A colon is supposed to be used to explicate something like that, and the way that you split the sentence into two separate sentences resulted in the second sentence being incomplete.
A colon is supposed to be used to reduce the water content of fecal matter after it exits the small intestine prior to excretion. The lack of a colon will result in an increased frequency in bowel movement and an overly watery stool. While not necessary for survival, it's of course preferable.
Those who have had part of their colon removed have, you guessed it, a semi-colon.
Now compare that with, "You'll never guess where I'm from: Manchester".
It clearly fits. That's a better way of doing it than how the Mancunian did it, but he'll never admit it.
Don't you ever freaking well listen or read what information is given you?
I wrote exactly what I wanted and meant to write, and I don't care what you freakin grammar nazis care about it.
Trying to make other people look dumb is the only way you are ever going to look smart. But the problem is that you are not very smart.
Does anyone have the right to tell another person what they are saying, I don't think so. How can you even tell me what I am saying when you have no idea of the idea that I wish to express? You must know that just because a pattern exists, as in your borrowed example, that not all sentences HAVE TO fit into it.
Please define "better" as you think it applies to my 2 sentences compared to your sentence when they express different meanings.
And as for admitting wrongness: you should be the last one to speak.
I wrote exactly what I wanted and meant to write, and I don't care what you freakin grammar nazis care about it.
Trying to make other people look dumb is the only way you are ever going to look smart. But the problem is that you are not very smart.
Does anyone have the right to tell another person what they are saying, I don't think so. How can you even tell me what I am saying when you have no idea of the idea that I wish to express? You must know that just because a pattern exists, as in your borrowed example, that not all sentences HAVE TO fit into it.
Please define "better" as you think it applies to my 2 sentences compared to your sentence when they express different meanings.
And as for admitting wrongness: you should be the last one to speak.
And I ended it too. Because you cannot answer even answer a simple question I suppose that means that you have, in your own words, given up and admitted defeat. :cool:
But I do agree with Mr Phil O'Sophy, you are a big meany. Your silly bullying tactics and your know-it-all attitude are rather pathetic. And you have your head so far up your arse that you probably meditate looking at you belly button FROM THE INSIDE.
Reply to frank I worked in a painting factory for a few months, years ago, and literally painted hundreds of pictures like that. Never used gold leaf though.
Reply to frank Never had it in my system. At the factory we would paint copies, 10 to 20 copies at a time, from an original, and I never submitted an original design.
Seriously though, what would be nice is a topic about making people happy.
What would make me happy is if you learnt to recognise when you're fighting a losing battle, and if you learnt how to proofread. It would be for your own good. I'm a kind-hearted soul deep down, you see.
What would make me happy is if you learnt to recognise when you're fighting a losing battle, and if you learnt how to proof read.
Or should it be
What would make me happy is if you learnt to recognise when you're fighting a losing battle: and if you learnt how to proofread.
Or even
What would make me happy is if you learnt to recognise when you're fighting a losing battle and: if you learnt how to proofread.
Maybe you had better check at grammar.com
As for this being a losing battle, you are the one that does not recognize that you have already lost it. Probably because you are the only one fighting.
I now consider myself a "libertarian socialist," although I'm a very idiosyncratic sort of libertarian socialist (idiosyncratic enough that I appear to be the only person in the world with my particular views re governmental ideals).
Sorry, this caught my interest but the topic had closed so I brought it here. It seems to me that a 'libertarian socialist' is basically a liberal (in the American sense at least).
Terrapin StationJanuary 30, 2019 at 23:10#2516750 likes
It seems to me that a 'libertarian socialist' is basically a liberal (in the American sense at least).
Liberals want to regulate tons of behavior that I'm not at all in favor of regulating (on my libertarian side) and they'd not do what I'd so re socializing the economy (which isn't surprising as I'd make very radical changes on that end--for example, I'd have nothing like our present monetary system, I'd have nothing actually considered a monetary system, although you could say that it would function a bit like money in some ways).
I think that public ownership of the means of production, cooperatives, economic planning, etc, would infringe upon libertarian love of individual liberty. Also it seems that economic socialism encourages cooperation for mutual benefit rather than dog-eat-dog capitalism, so the underlying moral compass points more towards care (a liberal sensibility) than liberty.
Terrapin StationJanuary 31, 2019 at 11:40#2517690 likes
I think that public ownership of the means of production, cooperatives, economic planning, etc, would infringe upon libertarian love of individual liberty. Also it seems that economic socialism encourages cooperation for mutual benefit rather than dog-eat-dog capitalism, so the underlying moral compass points more towards care (a liberal sensibility) than liberty.
Yeah, if you're just characterizing it as concern for others/care versus focus on individual concerns and capitalism etc., on the economic side I'm more "liberal," but I've yet to meet a U.S. liberal who would agree to how I'd approach economics. Part of that is just because what I'd do is so different than what we currently have that people aren't likely to independently arrive at it, so they'd need to hear it in detail to agree with it, but it's also because people have a tendency to just want to tweak the ways things currently are rather than wanting to basically wipe the slate clean and start from scratch, with no restrictions other than possibility re how we could construct things. What I'd do is more in the vein of the latter.
I’d like to read about it if you’ve published anything online or whatever. I checked for discussions you’ve started here but, remarkably for 6k posts, you haven’t started any discussion on this forum.
I have an idea for a thread but having trouble thinking about where to put it. "Should we abolish billionaires?" Ethics? Or Politics and Current Affairs? Or Political Philosophy?
His future now seems promising compared to the path being taken.
I am starting to toy with the idea of Canada .. kind of under an age pressure as I think in order to move North AND become a citizen, I have to be under 50 to contribute enough to their society to be worthy of living life out in.
It's hard to get anyone to believe what is happening here in Arizona and I am getting tired of trying to get those who do not live here to have faith in what we are living. Not just folks overseas but an entire party of a two party system are living in denial of the reality of situation.
My kids are awesome but are leaving the USA in the next 10 years and would like nothing more than for us to move out of the country as well.
Mom is doing AWESOME and my StepDad is alive and bitchin! My Uncle in Chicago is my remaining family as the divide between my sister and I is not something she wants to or is willing to love beyond my Dad's passing and I am learning to be okay with that. In fact I have found myself becoming a lot more comfortable in letting others live their own journey as I working my way through college to get my Social worker degree.
How is life treating you?
ArguingWAristotleTiffFebruary 10, 2019 at 12:36#2544950 likes
I have an idea for a thread but having trouble thinking about where to put it. "Should we abolish billionaires?" Ethics? Or Politics and Current Affairs? Or Political Philosophy?
I have an idea of where you can put that thread...
ArguingWAristotleTiffFebruary 10, 2019 at 12:37#2544960 likes
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Deleted UserFebruary 12, 2019 at 21:41#2552530 likes
But, if I wish really hard, maybe I can make it become true or die from a stroke from the mental exertion.
Wish away my good man, I will still be here tomorrow and you will still not be a solipsist. You are too smart for that.
But you good down grade the new you to be a super hero instead of a god I suppose. Maybe you could wish for super powers.
Have not posted in here at all... but... there are too many religious apologists on this forum... sigh... :shade:
Where? I have only seen a few and they are already tame. You can talk to most of them without being bitten.
Who would you discuss religion with if there were only atheists here? :chin:
ChristofferFebruary 16, 2019 at 11:20#2565630 likes
Who would you discuss religion with if there were only atheists here? :chin:
Problem with many of them with strong beliefs is that they seem to be unable to overcome biases and they can be logical and reasonable in any other argument but God, where they abandon all philosophical standards in order to become apologists and desperate to defend their belief.
Then there's the spamming, every other thread is someone posting about God and it's the same flawed argument wrapped in a different cloth over and over. It just feels like desperate attempts for them to find something that no one can argue against so that they have proof for their own belief. This kind of desperation for verification of their belief abandons all reason, which is why they never listen to people countering them and start a new thread under a different name. :grimace:
This kind of desperation for verification of their belief abandons all reason, which is why they never listen to people countering them and start a new thread under a different name. :grimace:
Belief versus reality, no contest, no middle ground.
One side or the other.
But as someone recently pointed out, there are quite a few aggressive atheists around here as well.
"Worse than the bizarre uses of Sun Tzu are the seemingly endless heartwarming and encouraging things that Confucius is claimed to have said. Blandly inspirational Confucius memes are now so numerous and so detached from reality that they have spawned a meta-meme, one that reads: ‘Confucius: I never said all that shit.’ Most of the memes detailing what Confucius ‘said’ say little that is compelling or even mildly interesting. But that is exactly why it’s so important to append ‘Confucius said’ to them. Without this addendum, bracing us to receive a bit of ‘Eastern wisdom’, we might believe them to be yet more dull mini-homilies."
tim wood:Proposition: the I Ching has no determinate meaning, or even determinate set of meanings. In short, it means whatever persuasive interpreters can persuade people to think it means. Or in other terms, in itself it means nothing.
Think of some dream you've had. Imagine that you contemplate images in the dream as being symbolic and you find within yourself various ties to this and that. Doing this leads to the revelation of something you've been overlooking. You found it in yourself.
Now imagine that instead of looking within, you look outward and find a society that has fairly rigid meanings attached to images. It shows up in a variety of ways in the art and philosophy of this culture. As opposed to being oppressive, though, it opens up creative vistas. A garden can be read as a poem. The mention of a certain symbol in a poem is a doorway, not just to your personal reflections, but to a whole society's experiences across generations.
IOW, yes, you're right.
ArguingWAristotleTiffFebruary 19, 2019 at 23:22#2577740 likes
Would it B2 much to ask for you to explain what that is? (And no, I can't google it. My google is... er... broken).
UC, A1 is the first steak sauce created by Artificial Intelligence 1.0 but shhhhh don't tell anyone otherwise the other AI creatures will complain. As it is they are demanding "boost" breaks.
No, it's more like you having the bright idea of removing all of the wet floor signs when the floor has yet to dry, in the meeting place for an academic club open to anyone one at all, even those with no qualifications at all. And you're okay with some people falling over and hurting themselves, because the upper class is of the opinion that wet floor signs look tacky. And because more members of the upper class are likely to have been to university, you are of the opinion that it's best to pander to them, even if it means a greater risk of injury to the lower classes in particular, who have less likely been to university. For you, putting off snobby intellectuals is more of a concern than people injuring themselves.
My argument is not the straw man that you addressed. It's not that because there’s a significant portion of the forum membership that possess a particular quality, they should therefore be catered to. That obviously has one or more missing premises. The missing premise would be something along the lines that, regarding the actions we take for the forum itself, we should work with the aim of being helpful and we should work towards minimising the occurrence of illogic, especially when the required helpful action is simple and easy, and it wouldn't make a significant difference in how the front page looks, and although it might put some people off, these people would be of a bad, snobbish attitude, and they would have the wrong priorities, and this site would very likely continue to attract those higher levels you have in mind who do not have that bad attitude and probably think nothing of a little sticky note about logic on a philosophy forum.
When I said that this isn't the place for them, I meant that this isn't the best place for people who want an elitist club, rather than a club for all with a conscious effort to raise up those with lesser abilities.
S, I love you more than you will ever understand. Thank you for being the constant you. :clap:
I would like to have put a heart emoticon but I know how you feel about PDA. :smirk:
ArguingWAristotleTiffFebruary 20, 2019 at 18:32#2579600 likes
@Maw
OMG! Back to pies! There is a place called Lou Malnati's that makes a crustless deep dish pizza! OMG! They achieved this culinary delight by making a Sausage crust!
Simply Amazing!
Put your comments in the closed pinning discussion.
So how am I supposed to add in my comments into the "Pinning Discussion"? :chin:
It is not very often that I agree whole heartedly with Sapientia but I do on this issue.
ArguingWAristotleTiffFebruary 20, 2019 at 21:19#2579870 likes
In all honesty, I never understood and still don't understand why the lounge was moved to the back page but I am not an administrator nor am I an owner, so I shall go through the extra 6^89 steps that we need to do to navigate the lounge from a mobile device.
Someday our sense of community will rise to the snuff that is worthy of being on the main page. Until then, I love you all and hope that someone comes along or accidently falls into the lounge and reads my words AND hears them. :heart:
A girl can hope... :flower:
Well, stick it here I suppose and I'll transfer it over there. I closed it as I thought the issue had run its course, but the last few comments seemed on point enough to include. The horse that's being flogged is definitely on its last legs though. There just wasn't enough popular or mod team support for the proposal in the end.
I never understood and still don't understand why the lounge was moved to the back page but I am not an administrator nor am I an owner, so I shall go through the extra 6^89 steps that we need to do to navigate the lounge from a mobile device.
I'm curious if it was effective in producing the intended result.
ArguingWAristotleTiffFebruary 20, 2019 at 21:24#2579910 likes
I'm curious if it was effective in producing the intended result.
How will you ever know if we don't give it a try?
And the following words from Sapientia's post really hit home with me because each and every one of us, start at a different point in our pursuit of knowledge and have to be able to understand some of the basic pitfalls when it comes to fallacies.
But we are open to all, including the low levels, and the low levels need guidance. If you're a high level who lets something as trivial as "signs" to help low levels put you off, then you're not that much of a high level. If you're looking for a club who only lets in elites, then this isn't it.
S~
My guess is those who do not wish to have the fallacies listed are the same folks who might not think they are effective as a tool of instruction, which they really are.
As 'thinkers' we are charged with offering any insight we can to those who follow behind us as we look to those ahead of us to do the same.
There is a Buddhist saying that is something along the lines of 'The flame of your candle, lighting the wicks of those that come after you, does not take any light from your flame but has the chance to light the way of so many more that follow.'
Additionally, PB, I am not sure if you knew him, was always very capable of talking about Philosophy on whatever level the person speaking to him was. PB had a skill that confirmed his understanding what the other person was saying (mirroring back) explained that he sees it a bit different from where he is standing and then goes onto explain the abyss between the two.
Yeah, it is a lot of work, work many would dismiss for someone else to handle but I can tell you that PB's flame lit my wick and I have been carrying this torch ever since. Passing it down to my children and effect by association with those I encounter.
Shrugs~ Just my two cents
I meant if moving the topic was effective. A question best answered by an admin, I guess.
Probably best answered by the administrators. I realize that topics are moved and some of the time it rubs me the wrong way. I see topics moved to the lounge because they don't cut it for the main page and the opposite when there are threads on the main page that sound absurd enough to be moved.
Shrugs~ It is what it is and frankly I don't have the time to commit that they do.
And btw, many members fully know exactly which fallacy they're using, when they use them.
If what you are asserting is true, does that bother you? What do you do to try and resolve it yourself? Sometimes I see a fallacy within the OP and I only have so much time to be here so I don't respond even though if I took the time and waxed my words a bit, the other member might be open to learning about fallacies.
I post fallacies on The Philosophy Forum Facebook page and can post some here as well. Once you have a REALLY good working knowledge of the fallacies, such as Sapientia does, you cannot help but try to explain where the fallacy is being committed. It is like a Spelling or a Grammar Nazi, Sapientia is a wizard of fallacies and I personally think they are fair game when it comes to using it as a 'tool' to explain your position.
I meant if moving the topic was effective. A question best answered by an admin, I guess.
Haven't done a scientific study on it, but my impression is it has, as expected, helped with quality (with all due respect to @ArguingWAristotleTiff's opposition).
If what you are asserting is true, does that bother you? What do you do to try and resolve it yourself?
If someone is using fallacies in order to 'win' an argument it can be frustrating at times. If it's really blatant I may point it out.
I think if you're interested in the subject and not so interested in winning an argument fallacies will not be much of an issue because your goal will be more oriented towards truth seeking than meaningless persuasion.
And I'd like to point out, in case it's not obvious, that I'm not an elitist. I'm not bright or well educated. I was a special ed kid until high school, which I barely graduated from, and only did a couple of years community college after that.
ArguingWAristotleTiff:I personally think they [fallacies] are fair game when it comes to using it as a 'tool' to explain your position.
S, I love you more than you will ever understand. Thank you for being the constant you. :clap:
I would like to have put a heart emoticon but I know how you feel about PDA. :smirk:
:smile:
ArguingWAristotleTiffFebruary 21, 2019 at 11:51#2580690 likes
And I'd like to point out, in case it's not obvious, that I'm not an elitist. I'm not bright or well educated. I was a special ed kid until high school, which I barely graduated from, and only did a couple of years community college after that.
Praxis, I appreciate your sharing your thoughts on your personal history to give us an idea of where you are coming from.
But I must be honest with you.
From the first post you made, I was under the impression that you were as intelligent as the rest of us AND it turns out that you are.
You see, we are all the same in that we are searching for wisdom and exploring life along the way with each other. I might know more about one topic than Sapientia but then he has his strong suits too.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that you might be surprised at how well you measure up to others when you stop measuring. Your experience outside of the forum does not proceed you here. Who you are here, what you choose to share is for you to define. :ok:
My guess is those who do not wish to have the fallacies listed are the same folks who might not think they are effective as a tool of instruction, which they really are.
As 'thinkers' we are charged with offering any insight we can to those who follow behind us as we look to those ahead of us to do the same.
There is a Buddhist saying that is something along the lines of 'The flame of your candle, lighting the wicks of those that come after you, does not take any light from your flame but has the chance to light the way of so many more that follow.'
Additionally, PB, I am not sure if you knew him, was always very capable of talking about Philosophy on whatever level the person speaking to him was. PB had a skill that confirmed his understanding what the other person was saying (mirroring back) explained that he sees it a bit different from where he is standing and then goes onto explain the abyss between the two.
Yeah, it is a lot of work, work many would dismiss for someone else to handle but I can tell you that PB's flame lit my wick and I have been carrying this torch ever since. Passing it down to my children and effect by association with those I encounter.
Shrugs~ Just my two cents
Them be a damn fine two cents, madam. There's wisdom very relevant to what we were discussing in that Buddhist quote. And yeah, I knew Postmodern Beatnik. I thought quite highly of him: intelligent, knowledgeable, much more amiable than me, and much less facetious than me, although those last two points apply to most others as well.
Does anybody have a backup of the old PF website? I'd like to search for some old posts but it seems to be not functioning any more. Even just selected threads would be appreciated.
Pattern-chaserFebruary 28, 2019 at 15:30#2601720 likes
Does this site offer a means to block individual contributors? :sad:
Reply to Pattern-chaser That would probably depend on who you were talking about. If it was me you did not want to hear from, you could just ask me not to reply to you and I would respect your wishes.
Others are not as nice though. :up:
That would probably depend on who you were talking about. If it was me you did not want to hear from, you could just ask me not to reply to you and I would respect your wishes.
Others are not as nice though. :up:
Okay, let's put this to the test. (Will you or will you not be shown to be a hypocrite?). I am hereby asking you not to reply to me.
I here by publicly announce that I do not want the person that goes under the moniker "S" to reply to any post that I make that does not specifically mention his name.
Lets see how long it takes him to answer, after all he is not one of the polite people I mentioned.
I here by publicly announce that I do not want the person that goes under the moniker "S" to reply to any post that I make that does not specifically mention his name.
Lets see how long it takes him to answer, after all he is not one of the polite people I mentioned.
It would be nice if you two could just bury the hatchet. You're both decent sorts and life is too short, ain't it?
Thank you for the compliment.
But I would miss out on all of the fun messing around with his mind, if that is what we uses to think with.
But anyway I would rather not talk to S when he becomes obnoxious, he can be very insulting.
I would recommend that he learns to read though. He replied to one of my posts after I specifically asked him not to unless I mentioned his name. I don't even know his name so there is not much chance of me actually mentioning it. :wink:
I wish I could invent a new form of media unto which I could more completely express the disgust I hold for your classification, S. When the Philosopher-King revolution finally happens, you'll be the first against the wall. :rage:
I wouldn't take it too seriously. Within the past few days, he's held up Socrates as a hero and railed against Kant as a purveyor of nonsense.
ArguingWAristotleTiffMarch 06, 2019 at 12:13#2620000 likes
Lou's next Tuesday night to celebrate my getting older and being in a Spring Break destination, as a student on Spring Break! Surely it will be a kegger in the desert! I will grab some pictures if I can!
LouOMFG Malnati's :party:
S I'm sure just a few weeks ago I had more posts than you and now you have 400 more? Take a break man.
Yeah, I've gone into overdrive lately, and my obsession has spiralled out of control a tad. I must answer all of life's most important questions, like whether the mashed is the potato. :rofl:
The verses below are excerpted from a newly discovered manuscript found in the ruins of a recently excavated temple in southern China. Translation by Tee Si.
Hwan Yan and Chuang Tzu
Hwan Yan met Chuang Tzu on the street one day
He said “Master, I see you got a haircut”
Chuang Tzu responded “No, that is a sign you remain trapped in the world’s illusions.
I got them all cut”
Walking in the forest
Hau Su Kwei was walking in the forest with Master Ki.
Hau Su Kwei asked “Isn’t is true, master, that, although you preach to us of wisdom and enlightenment, you remain mired in worldly desires?”
To which Ki responded, “Fuck you, asshole.”
The Three Sages
One day three sages were meditating together.
The wisest, Moe Ron said “La Ri, what is the sound of one hand clapping?”
La Ri said “I do not know, wise one.”
Moe Ron slapped him hard across the face and said “Imbecile, you always fall for that one”
Cur Li bowed and said “This is surely true.”
The Physician
Lao Tzu had been ill and visited the great physician Oz Doc
After an examination, Oz Doc said “Your body exceeds its proper size.”
With anger, Lao Tzu replied “I respectfully request a second opinion.”
Oz Doc smiled and said “You are also unattractive.”
Life
Lao Tzu and Huang Tzu were discussing what is necessary for a good life.
Huang Tzu said “I believe that a long life is the best life,”
to which Lao Tzu replied “No, a happy life is best, no matter how short.”
Huang Tzu responded “No, I must insist, length is most important.”
Chuang Tzu, who had remained silent up to that point, finally spoke,“That's what she said.”
A Suitable Wife
A group of sages and students were walking in the country
Wan Li, a student, asked, “Master Lao, what kind of woman makes a suitable wife for a wise man?”
Lao responded “It is best for a wise man not to marry, but if he decides he will, the woman he chooses should be virtuous and loyal.”
Wu Tang added, “Yes, that is certainly true, she should also be honest and dedicated to her family.”
Then Chuang Tzu responded, “You are both clearly correct, and she should also be devoted to prayer and meditation.”
Master Lao then spoke again, “Oh, I almost forgot, she should also have big tits.”
To this, all present agreed.
Anyway, how dare you doubt the words of our lord and saviour?
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks, then it is probably a duck.
Anyways, it is not about doubting the words your lord and savior but about the existence of that being and the difference between it ans a pile of duck shit.
But at least you have reasonable taste in music, if that is really what you listen to.
It is. As Baden keeps saying all of the time, I am one of those cool and rebellious types, so a band like Nirvana is going to appeal to me. Even though there's a bit of a paradox in that, kind of like how images of Ché Guevara became a popular fad.
Since my previous post about the newly discovered Taoist manuscript, additional documents have been translated. Some of them are presented here.
Huangjiu
This is a traditional song often sung at religious gatherings and celebrations in ancient China. Only two of the verses are presented. The entire song is much longer. Huangjiu means “yellow wine.” The ancient Chinese numbering system was additive, i.e. when values greater than 9 were expressed, numerical symbols were placed next to each other, e.g. 65 would be written as (60)(5).
(90)(9) flagons of huangjiu on the shelf
(90)(9) flagons of huangjiu
Remove 1 from the shelf
Share it with our brother monks
(90)(8) flagons of huangjiu on the shelf
(90)(8) flagons of huangjiu on the shelf
(90)(8) flagons of huangjiu
Remove 1 from the shelf
Share it with our brother monks
(90)(7) flagons of huangjiu on the shelf
This sequence of verses was repeated until all the flagons of huangjiu were consumed.
Knock knock
Master Li rapped on Chuang Tzu’s door with his walking stick
Chuang Tzu’s servent responded “Who is there?”
“Master Li”
“Master Li who?”
“Master Li who will ask Chuang Tzu to beat you if you don’t open the fucking door.
Your Mother
Master Si and Confucius were discussing Chinese family duties, with a special emphasis on duty to one’s mother. The discussion became heated and the two great philosophers began trading insults.
Master Si - Your mother is so fat, her reflection in the still waters of Lake Drahi in the moonlight lowered the water level by 3 yiajn.
Confucius - Your mother is so old, she babysat for the Duke of Zhou’s children during the Battle of Muye.
MS - Your mother is so ugly, Lao Tzu wrote “The unspeakable Tao is the basis of the entire world - the gods, heaven, the earth, the ten thousand things. Not Confucius’ mother though, she’s just too damn ugly.”
C - Your mother is so stupid, she thinks Chuang Tzu is where they keep the pandas.
I love these. I hope they translate more of these ancient manuscripts.
Thank you. I appreciate it. I love writing them. As bad as it may sound, I also like reading them. I laugh every time I do. I'm either a rare comic genius or really pitiful.
As for more, I've gotten a cease and desist order from the lawyers for Lao Tzu's estate, so that may not be possible. Tao®.
Thank you. I appreciate it. I love writing them. As bad as it may sound, I also like reading them. I laugh every time I do. I'm either a rare comic genius or really pitiful.
As for more, I've gotten a cease and desist order from the lawyers for Lao Tzu's estate, so that may not be possible. Tao®.
Wait, you wrote them yourself? I assumed that you had copied and pasted them from some website or something. :clap:
Those 60s and 70s bands had a reemergence in popularity in the 80s when I was in high school and college, bringing back so many memories of old friends, killing time into the wee hours of the night on bong water saturated couches, talking about the same bullshit we talk about here, no closer to any answers, but so sure we were close to figuring it out.
Reply to T Clark Yes, I really am sad right now, as it happens. I am sad because I am losing hope, and for other reasons. But I will just have to be stronger and overcome it.
Do you know, that photo really does poignantly reflect my life recently. I lost my last short-lived job because of what the NHS calls alcohol misuse, and I recently put my current job at risk for the same reason.
OpinionsMatterMarch 27, 2019 at 16:40#2694680 likes
Somebody tell me what you think of this:
A family of six are packing their things to go on vacation. While packing, the family discusses basic math concepts with the two youngest children.
Mom: Don't worry, you guys aren't even in the third grade yet. You don't have to know anything except addition and subtraction.
Youngest Child(6yo): I know what 2+2 is! It's 4!
Mom and Dad: Yeah, that's right!
Oldest Child(13yo): Everybody knows that, it's practically the easiest one!
Middle Child2(8yo): No! The easiest one is 1+1!
Oldest Child: Oh yeah? You don't even know what the answer is!
Everyone is quite as they wait for the response of the of the Middle Child2.
Middle Child1(11yo): It's 2.
Middle Child2: I knew that!
Dad: No, it's 6.
Mom: Okay, that's enough of that! Let's take our bags out to the car now, okay?
Oldest Child: I get it! Dad your disgusting.
Rest of the Children: What, what?! Tell us what you get!
Oldest Child: Don't worry about it, you wouldn't want to know.
The children take their bags out to the car, while the mother reprimands the father for being inappropriate in front of the children.
Something I need to tell you guys, and this is sort of important...
I brought my dog inside and she smelled terribly of shit and upon exploration I noticed that she had a large turd affixed to the hair surrounding her anus. I put on some rubber gloves and hosed her anal region and vigorously massaged the feces away. She now smells sweetly of lavender scented shampoo. I then took a shower of my own, making sure to cleanse off any splatter that might have come my way.
I want to thank everyone here who has kept me in their prayers and been with me through this difficult time in my life.
I brought my dog inside and she smelled terribly of shit and upon exploration I noticed that she had a large turd affixed to the hair surrounding her anus.
Easter came early, lucky you.
Why lucky? you ask.
'Cus she didn't get it all over your favorite chair. :vomit:
I'm lonely and without a girlfriend. Someone become my GF.
I will be your girlfriend for the right price.
ArguingWAristotleTiffMarch 30, 2019 at 21:43#2708650 likes
I really need to learn how to lower my grace long enough to tell someone to fuck off. Ya know?
Anyone else have this filter problem? Any idea on how to remove it?
I really need to learn how to lower my grace long enough to tell someone to fuck off. Ya know?
Anyone else have this filter problem? Any idea on how to remove it?
{{{Frank}}} <
Writings like the one you gave me are a gift in my eyes that I will carry with me always. Throughout my life, writings like the one you gave me or the one on my profile impact me and I have a journal that I put them in for they become corner stones on which my character is built upon. I am a work in progress and Thank you for being a part of it. Know that you are a beautiful person~ :flower:
Wallow wallow...
When I cry my heart is sour,
My heart is heavy ...
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 02, 2019 at 12:58#2718270 likes
Wallow wallow...
When I cry my heart is sour,
My heart is heavy ...
But I know that I have got internal power...
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 02, 2019 at 13:13#2718330 likes
Hmm Creepy Uncle Joe is sniffing hair and rubbing noses. One I know as an Eskimo kisses but the other is definitely sensual based full on creep.
People are funny: when I managed massage therapists at the Doctors office: both men and women were okay with a female therapist but trying to get either to have a male therapist was a struggle. Our male therapist worked for us for just over a week before I had to let him go because I was getting complaints about his breathing on the patients as he was working on them. Creep factor was the reason patients gave.
Wallow wallow
My heart is sweet and sour
Bitter Crank has the power
Sir2U is a real howler
His feud with S is like cancer
Wallows is full of anger
Unenlightened is like a fuse
With God's help we'll all be amused.
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 03, 2019 at 17:34#2722670 likes
For me the question is: if Joe's actions were truly gestures of support, then surely there are a string of males he has done the same thing too.
To the males in here: what would you do if Joe came up behind you, holds your shoulders and moves closer, smelling your hair as he does....
Feeling supported?
Or would Joe be out cold on the ground?
Let's hear it! What do you guys think?
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 03, 2019 at 17:38#2722700 likes
I realize that this question has been asked before but I have a PF member looking for any writings by 180 Proof. The member liked to read them before sleep but is having a hard time finding his words.
Any ideas of where on the nets his words might be cached would be appreciated.
Thanks!
Are you sure you are in the right place? How can there be a true separation of church and state if there are pews in the Court House? Do you get a better ruling if you get down on your knees before the Judge?
That member, if it is who I think it is, has been banned. Anyone else gets this sort of stuff again, let us know. Cheers.
It did seem like déjà vu. Like I'd made that exact joke before. Maybe he had made a previous attempt. Or maybe it was fate! It's surely a sign of God! Once I was blind, but now I can se-- anyway, I'mma a go grab a bite to eat, you want anything?
My two cents: Slow down a bit on the OPs. Imagine you're giving yourself a mark out of 10 for each one. If you can't give yourself at least an 8, work on it until you can or move on to something else.
My two cents: Slow down a bit on the OPs. Imagine you're giving yourself a mark out of 10 for each one. If you can't give yourself at least an 8, work on it until you can or move on to something else.
Yeah, I have littered the front page somewhat. Though, can you give me a generic template to work on for example? I work best by copying what has been already perfected.
unenlightenedApril 09, 2019 at 11:53#2746510 likes
I am trying to learn to fulminate like a Guardian writer. Gotta get the link count up a bit, so you can't really argue 'til you've read 20 other Guardian writers fulminating.
@Wallows
:up: I rather like the greater majority of the many threads you start. You engage with everyone who responds, even when their post appears blunt or rude, without seemingly trying to “win” the discussion. And the topics are usually interesting and apparently meaningful to you, which helps them avoid being overly dry and theoretical. Just because a particular thread disappears with few responses doesn’t necessarily make it a failure or poor idea.
IMHO, very generally speaking more than a few of the threads with many responses on this wonderful forum are borderline train-wrecks of squabbling, posturing, and one-liner one-upsmanship. But perhaps they make one appreciate the thoughtful comments even more. (Sometimes I wonder if it would help to have each discussion split into two parallel columns: the main discussion, and then the side commentary, jokes, and personal asides. In other words, the discussion on one side, and the doodles in the margins on the other. Off-topic comments (which are often interesting to some, perhaps distracting to others) would be sidelined rather than stumbled over or deleted. Probably not feasible with the forum software, just a marginal idea.)
So, to paraphrase Pink Floyd, post on you crazy diamond! :sparkle:
EDIT: I've posted an edited version of this comment here: https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/5573/philosopher-roger-scruton-has-been-sacked-for-islamophobia-and-antisemitism
I like several of Roger Scruton's books, and his treatment is a disgrace. His knowledge and appreciation of Islam are profound, and the idea that Islamophobia is an invented propaganda word is a legitimate one. I don't see anything wrong with what he said in that recent interview, nor have I read anything anti-Semitic, anti-Islamic, racist or xenophobic in the books and articles of his I've read, most of which are deeply humane and thoughtful.
I shouldn't have to say any of that here, on a philosophy forum. This is a witless attack on free speech, and the eager acceptance of such attacks by liberals and intellectuals, including here on TPF, makes me despair. And obviously, Scruton is not a fascist.
It seems that this has happened following an interview and article by George Eaton published in the New Statesman. To see just how reliable the writer of this article might be, here are Scruton's original words about Hungary, which he defended in the interview, and which are being presented as evidence of anti-semitism:
[quote=Scruton]Many of the Budapest intelligentsia are Jewish, and form part of the extensive networks around the Soros Empire. People in these networks include many who are rightly suspicious of nationalism, regard nationalism as the major cause of the tragedy of Central Europe in the 20th century, and do not distinguish nationalism from the kind of national loyalty that I have defended in this talk. Moreover, as the world knows, indigenous anti-Semitism still plays a part in Hungarian society and politics, and presents an obstacle to the emergence of a shared national loyalty among ethnic Hungarians and Jews.[/quote]
https://www.roger-scruton.com/articles/276-the-need-for-nations
To present this as anti-semitic is simply dishonest. The more you look at George Eaton's behaviour around this, his articles and Tweets, the more plain it is that this deputy editor of the New Statesman (!) has been part of a smear campaign.
To balance the Guardian and Statesman, here's another take on the affair (which by the way also reveals the shocking truth about what Scruton thinks of Chinese people):
[quote=Scruton]Although Freud’s attempt at explaining homophobia might be held to justify the use of that term to describe at least some of the negative views that some people hold about homosexuality, this is no excuse for inventing ‘Islamophobia’ as an explanation of the negative views that many people hold about Islam. The invention of this term by activists of the Muslim Brotherhood is a rhetorical trick, though it seems that my habit of pointing this out is a further proof that I am guilty. Are we then to suppose that people are repelled by Islam because of the unconscious desire to embrace it, this repulsion being part of an elaborate defence mechanism? Or could it be that murder, genocide, rape and enslavement carried out in the name of Islam have made people somewhat suspicious of the faith? My own view, expounded in The West and the Rest and elsewhere, is that the only phobia involved here is the natural revulsion against those horrible crimes, and has nothing to do with Islam, which is abused by those who commit the crimes and not by those who are repelled by them. However, I am sure that there are out-of-context sentences to be extracted here that will be useful in pinning on to me an accusation that admits no presumption of innocence, there being, as with all nonsense accusations, no gap between accusation and guilt.[/quote]
https://www.rogerscruton.com/articles/556-sin-bin
Reply to Baden It's not typical of his books but I like it. I didn't notice anything anti-philosophical, unless you mean his anti-continental bias, which is actually mild compared with other Anglo philosophers.
In the preface/introduction of the edition I read, he says, fairly directly as far as I remember, that if you don't share his politics and you appreciate recent continental philosophy, you'll 'hate' his book. Irritating to discover you've wasted your money before even getting to the main text.
I didn't read the article and don't have time to now, so no comment on that as yet.
unenlightenedApril 11, 2019 at 08:01#2753410 likes
No it isn't. It is a completely untenable, racist lie
As all the people I've read who make the claim, or who criticize the concept of Islamophobia, are not racist, and are even sometimes explicitly anti-racist, I certainly don't think it's a racist lie. Which is not to say that racists haven't said it too, obviously.
Lol, I just rushed to see whether a book I had was by Roger Scruton. It wasn't.
unenlightenedApril 11, 2019 at 08:19#2753440 likes
Reply to jamalrob
Defend your claim against the list of incidents reported by wiki, or admit it is untenable. When we can agree about that much, then we can talk about racism and antiracism.. Let's get the facts straight first.
the idea that Islamophobia is an invented propaganda word is a legitimate one.
— jamalrob
No it isn't. It is a completely untenable, racist lie.
I'll take the sensible middle ground between you two, and say that it's obviously wrong to say that it's an invented propaganda word, but it's not necessarily racist to think that to be the case. It could just be naive.
Why are we having this discussion here in the Shoutbox, instead of in the actual discussion? Who made that call, and what was he thinking? It seems to make no sense to have two separate discussions on this, unless the one here purely consists of the sort of casual Shoutbox commentary. The way this is going, we'll have good, on-topic philosophical comments which are absent from the main discussion.
Reply to S Unenlightened posted the news article and I responded here, but then realized it would make a good discussion so I copied my post and made the new discussion.
Reply to jamalrob Ah, okay. Well, personally, I now think that it would be best if the comments on that topic were removed from the Shoutbox, except perhaps those more befitting of the casual Shoutbox chitchat. Otherwise we could end up with two duplicate, serious philosophical discussions, instead of one complete one. It's not exactly kittens and blether.
Alas I predicted such movement would result in fewer shouts being made but I think that was the intent behind moving it off the main page if my memory serves me right.
~shrugs~
The people who do make it here are worth reading as this thread is my first stop with any free time I might come across in life :heart:
unenlightenedApril 12, 2019 at 13:43#2758760 likes
[quote=Primo Levi]Sooner or later in life everyone discovers that perfect happiness is unrealizable, but there are few who pause to consider the antithesis: that perfect unhappiness is equally unattainable. The obstacles preventing the realization of both these extreme states are of the same nature: they derive from our human condition which is opposed to everything infinite. Our ever-insufficient knowledge of the future opposes it: and this is called, in the one instance, hope, and in the other, uncertainty of the following day. The certainty of death opposes it: for it places a limit on every joy, but also on every grief. The inevitable material cares oppose it: for as they poison every lasting happiness, they equally assiduously distract us from our misfortunes and make our consciousness of them intermittent and hence supportable.[/quote]
A holocaust survivor, so he knows whereof he speaks. If you haven't, read him. it will do you good.
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 14, 2019 at 13:31#2768110 likes
Marc McGovern, Mayor of Cambridge Massachusetts is accepting asylum seekers who are displaced at the border processing centers to be allowed to be brought up to Massachusetts, a sanctuary city. Is there any objection to the idea?
A priest and an atheist sat in a bar, intently discussing whether God exists. The priest said “you make some good points, but I must say that I’m absolutely certain that there is one God”. The atheist said “with all due respect Father, I am sure there are zero gods”. Their friend, who had been quietly listening to the conversation, happened to be a mathematician. He said “gentlemen, my position on the issue is exactly between both of your statements”. “Are you an agnostic?” “Are you not sure?”, they asked. “No, I’m quite sure” said the mathematician. “I’m certain that there is precisely one-half of a God!” :chin:
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 15, 2019 at 12:41#2773450 likes
@Mr Phil O'Sophy
looks like I won. :cool:
Woo hoo!!!!! I didn't know it could be done!
Just remember @Baden might have ways of setteling the score. :chin:
Just keep your eyes open :eyes: as Baden is often standing behind @S who is standing behind @Michael !
Herbert A. Simon allegedly claimed somewhere that 90% of the profits we make are attributable to the existence of the existing infrastructure and institutions. So for the rich it's the same: they too are standing on the shoulders of giants.
It is rare that I come across a post that tells a story so universal and meaningful, so i though I would share it here for everyone to read: https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/277930
VagabondSpectreApril 20, 2019 at 00:43#2791320 likes
If anyone is interested, there's a debate going on right now that somehow represents one of the beating veins of contemporary political culture (at least a certain piece of it):
I should have known from the get-go how it would play out (but I wasn't really familiar with Zizek). Peterson is no economist, and no political scientist. That he has managed to travel so far around the block with his knowledge in clinical psychology is really quite surprising. Peterson uses highfalutin metaphors that are meant to yield therapeutic/psychological gains (example, his framing of "Neo-marxist thought as unproductive is a broad simplification). When confronted with a sophisticated "Marxist", his attacks no longer persuasively apply (and likewise, as peterson's ideas are at heart built around mental health rather than capitalism, most of the rebukes we would normally see also just don't apply).
It may not have been a productive or heated debate, but the influence these figures have on contemporary cultural developments (especially among the "rebellious intellectual youth") cannot be underestimated. A bit of light tracking on these types of people goes a long way toward yielding insight about present and future political culture.
(Take it from me, I knew that "cuck" would find new popularity several years in advance!! Such knowledge is invaluable!!! :monkey: )
I used to listen to Zizek a lot but he does tend to repeat stuff to the point where you feel diminishing returns setting inexorably in. Much less so with his books. Peterson, I went though a period a while back following fairly closely, but he seems to have ceased to have anything very interesting or original to say since he's been focusing on politics (if I want to hear about the evils of SJWs, PC, and Cultural Marxism, I'll tune into Hannity). But, yeah, the influence is definitely there with both.
I used to listen to Zizek a lot but he does tend to repeat stuff to the point where you feel diminishing returns setting inexorably in.
I feel like this describes Peterson perfectly as well. And yet, for better or worse they have become influential [s]thought leaders[/s] trend setters, especially for students and activists (the most visible demographic). At this point Peterson's power is a kind of cult of personality that emerges from his sheer popularity. Since he disavowed the alt-right he has been striking a lower and more respectable profile, but his celebrity isn't going anywhere. He was definitely misunderstood or misappropriated at first, but he seems to have established a niche/
The public attention given to Peterson simply goes to show that you can be a bumbling ignoramus; just a complete clown. Yet, as long as you say things that maintain status quo conservatism, regardless of how unoriginal even, you can easily be propelled into the public sphere. Peterson says in his opening remarks that in preparation for the debate around Marxism and happiness, he merely read the Communist Manifesto, which he hadn't picked up in 40 years. We're talking about a man who, after propelling himself into the limelight because of misunderstanding transgender laws in Canada, stayed in the limelight by howling against "post-modern Marxism", and yet, by his own admission, hasn't read anything of Marx outside of the Manifesto.
VagabondSpectreApril 21, 2019 at 02:42#2796160 likes
The public attention given to Peterson simply goes to show that you can be a bumbling ignoramus; just a complete clown. Yet, as long as you say things that maintain status quo conservationism, regardless of how unoriginal even, you can easily be propelled into the public sphere. Peterson says in his opening remarks that in preparation for the debate around Marxism and happiness, he merely read the Communist Manifesto, which he hadn't picked up in 40 years. We're talking about a man who, after propelling himself into the limelight because of misunderstanding transgender laws in Canada, stayed in the limelight by howling against "post-modern Marxism", and yet, by his own admission, hasn't read anything of Marx outside of the Manifesto.
Honestly I think if Peterson actually read Capital he would find much to agree with, since he admits as much that Capitalism is problematic, albeit in simplistic terms. But his income is mainly derived from not understanding Marx, so that won't happen.
Juvenile humans have no consideration for themselves or others; they shit themselves and don't clean up.
The options for mature adults are: -
1, Clean up after them.
2. Get rid of them.
3. Live in shit.
Since I've been prohibited from starting threads, and I have no qualms with the issue I wanted to share a thread that got deleted; but, had something valuable to say in my humble opinion.
Since I've been prohibited from starting threads, and I have no qualms with the issue I wanted to share a thread that got deleted; but, had something valuable to say in my humble opinion.
1. You were not prohibited from starting new threads. You voluntarily chose to stop.
2. I deleted here what was previously deleted. Reposting previously moderated material will lead to a ban.
Trying to slow down my thread creation because I don’t want to go the same way as Wallows. :fear: Was going to create a thread asking how much time it is preferable to wait before making a new thread, but thought better of it.
So I ask it here. Is there a recommend time limit before creating a new thread. Should there be a thread cool down time? I know it isn’t wise to make a bunch of threads in a short amount of time. Can someone give me a time limit? Once a week? Once a month? Once a year? Never? (Probably not once every day.)
There's no hard and fast rule. And you'll be asked to slow down if it becomes an issue. But off the top of my head, I can't imagine why anyone would need to create more than one discussion a week.
Is there a recommend time limit before creating a new thread. Should there be a thread cool down time? I know it isn’t wise to make a bunch of threads in a short amount of time. Can someone give me a time limit?
Day 1. Think.
Day 2. Post thread of polished pearls.
Day 3. Reply to comments or add an elucidation as necessary.
Day 4. Watch your pearls sink down the front page in a sea of mediocrity. Think on.
Day 5. Start a new thread on the merits of stoicism.
Reply to unenlightened Two threads in a week? That's a big no-no.
Day 1. Overthink.
Day 2. Post a thread just to show off your amazing logical and literary skills.
Day 3. Ignore comments because they're too stupid to understand anything you write.
Day 4. Complain about your thread being deleted, and annoy all the moderators.
Day 5. Start a new discussion about the same topic.
Day 6. Get banned.
Day 7. Remember the sabbath, to keep it holy.
unenlightenedApril 21, 2019 at 19:18#2800710 likes
Reply to Purple Pond Never, ever, ever complain. Feedback is just a place to volunteer to be banned.
A really good thread is one that is sufficiently vague that two or more commentators can get into a long argument without either of them quite knowing what the thread is about or whether they are agreeing or disagreeing with the op. Add a controversial but vague one-liner whenever they start to flag. Funk and Scallywag claim that an infinite thread is perfectly possible with this method.
Reply to unenlightened
I'll keep that in mind if I ever want an infinite thread. Right now I'm content with making threads long enough to witness Godwin's Law.
I once heard a tale about an over-thinker. I'm sure there was a moral to the story, but I'm not sure what it was. I'll give it some more thought. :chin:
There needs to be a pretty good reason for zombeying months-old discussions. And if it looks like a bump by the OP starter, we'll probably close it as those are against the rules. Might sound a little harsh but it has become an issue in the past.
I just read the alleged bump post and I have to agree with Wallows that it's a legitimate draft that could turn into an interesting and worthwhile topic.
Incidentally, I was reading about syncretism today and wondering about its potential for integrating polarized beliefs and ideologies in contemporary society, and coincidentally happened across Wallows draft topic and thought it might offer a good platform to draft a compelling topic starter to explore the subject, and maybe see if there were any interest.
Reply to Wallows I told you what to do: take part in discussions that were started by other members. It's good enough for most members, who rarely or never start discussions themselves--and that includes some of the best contributors. What makes you so special? Like I say, this forum isn't your personal playground and we're not going to put up with your crap just because you throw tantrums.
Stop making new discussions for a few months, and get used to taking part in a different way. It will do you good.
Like I say, this forum isn't your personal playground and we're not going to put up with your crap just because you throw tantrums.
Ok, I'm not even going to try and defend myself here. Your right, I'm wrong. Have it your way. I'll try my best and stop being the squeaking wheel here.
No idea. My philosophical beginning started around 2007-8 on PF. The only old folks there that really caught my attention was Gassendi1 whom I never got the chance to interact with, sadly.
take part in discussions that were started by other members. It's good enough for most members, who rarely or never start discussions themselves--and that includes some of the best contributors.
For example, I haven’t started a discussion in 2 years.
I noticed the other day that Terrapin Station, who’s been active on the forum for three years and has 8.5k posts, has never started a discussion.
You're right. I think this is my second or third sleepless night, and the fact of the matter is that all this poor intellectualization, some fantasy or grandeur too depending on your philosophical inclinations here, and escapism from reality is really taking a toll on my psyche. I might start a reading group on Mein Kamf soon the way things are going...
Just taking a step back from all this meta meta crap. Sorry guys and gals for running yall through the rungs of my psyche on blitz.
The problem is that the internet was only good from around 2002ish to 2006, 2007 at most. It gets worse and worse each year and so this forum can never be as good as the original PF.
but, I feel alive, and that's what counts, I think?
Now you are starting to "feel"! Go with that energy! Surround yourself with people who nurture that "feeling"! That feeling is what it means to be alive. You have the fire within you :fire:
But like a wood fire you must 'tend' to it :100:
There's a domain of psychology concerned with the study of crackpottery, it's called 'psychoceramics'. I feel as though you can't really philosophize about crackpottery.
Reply to Wallows Well, the demarcation between science and pseudoscience is philosophical. It's not far stretch to say that the question of the demarcation between genuine intellectual activity, and as you say, crackpottery, is likewise philosophical.
Motherfucker. I'm avoiding most places on the internet to avoid End Game spoilers and I get spoiled on StackOverflow of all places. Fucking "Hot Network Questions".
unenlightenedApril 26, 2019 at 10:26#2820640 likes
[quote=Michael Rosen]I sometimes fear that
people think that fascism arrives in fancy dress
worn by grotesques and monsters
as played out in endless re-runs of the Nazis.
Fascism arrives as your friend.
It will restore your honour,
make you feel proud,
protect your house,
give you a job,
clean up the neighbourhood,
remind you of how great you once were,
clear out the venal and the corrupt,
remove anything you feel is unlike you…
It doesn’t walk in saying,
“Our programme means militias, mass imprisonments, transportations, war and persecution.”
[/quote]
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 26, 2019 at 14:02#2821600 likes
God I wish I could leave work stress at work. Why do I have to let it bother me out of hours? Maybe I should start drinking and/or drugging.
There is a technique if you are willing to give it a try and see if it works.
In the medical field the Doctor I worked for had a simple red round sticker at the door to the lobby and one on the side of each treatment room but not by his office door. When we arrived at work you touch the red sticker and the problems, home stressses ect are checked at the door. Once in our office it was Chiropractor work and the struggles each department had BUT we touched that red sticker before entering a treatment room so we left even office struggles at the treatment room door. Leaving your current stress load at a designated spot so you can care for the priority at hand is for more than just a reminder to stay in the moment, that stress easily osmosing into others is real and rarely beneficial to anyone.
So my idea is when you leave your work, knowingly, deliberately hit that red circle, leaving the stress load at work when you can actually do something about the stress even if all that means is getting through another day.
Unless, UNLESS, your stressing outside of work is positively productive. If that is the case you deserve a raise and a promotion, which only you can know and only you can demand.
One last thought: when it's harder to suffer than change, we change. :flower:
Yes, if they're exploited towards some end. I don't think there's a single user or even being amongst us that would be infallibly able to asses another persons psychological valence and use it to explain behavior.
Not if they're exploited towards some end. I don't think there's a single user or even being amongst us that would be infallibly able to asses another persons psychological valence and use it to explain behavior.
One of the reasons why this version of PF is inferior to the old one is that there are very few Leftists here, which is a shame since there ought to be more political discussion in these times
And yet we usually get criticised for having too many, especially on the mod team. I believe the reason there's less political discussion now than before, by the way, is actually because we have fewer actively posting right-wingers to provoke left-wingers into responding.
I'd like to see more Leftists like To Mega Therion, photographer, and 180 Proof, and also some more conservatives to make things interesting. Personally I don't think we're lacking in--how can I put this neutrally?--po-faced moralizing petit-bourgeois identitarian witch-hunt leftist authoritarian defenders of cultural orthodoxy in the assumed guise of radicals.
Most of the regular posters who talk about politics here are decidedly left. We've got no traditional conservatives, and almost no one who can respond in any way to conservative ideas in anything but an autoimmune response.
Like, where are our fans of Nozick and Hayek? What about that old guy who really likes Burke? Where are the people that can actually defend interesting forms of conservatism philosophically? How else are we supposed to sharpen our wits instead of our tongues?
And why in the Hell aren't the leftists (self including) making interesting political threads to satisfy this desire? It doesn't stop every group with a bunch of leftists in it.
Never been much interested in politics, since always. Only things that scare me, since politics and fear (at least in America) are intertwined like nothing else, is the concept of there being a "deep state". Conspiracy theories aside, Eisenhower did warn us about such a potentiality. But, I don't believe it exists as a proactive living entity, as depicted in Marvel films; but, rather a passive one.
Hayek ain't much discussed in undergraduate levels of education. At least it's only passingly mentioned his Road to Serfdom. That was my take back at UCSC.
But he's absolutely a central figure for popular conservative opinion.
There is a distinction that ought to be highlighted here between popular (populist?) conservativism and something like the offshoots of conservativism stemming from academia. This distinction doesn't exist as much as in liberalism, as the whole concept of liberalism is reactionary, unlike conservativism.
You don't learn this stuff in school, though, so not a meaty topic.
Anyway, de facto it seems to me that conservativism is the new status quo. Since Reagan at least. Obama might have only been a blip on the radar; but, he was modestly liberal. The pendulum hasn't gone as far as everyone thinks it has, to the right, at least in my view. So, the next POTUS might also be conservative due to hotelling.
Actually, it's highly probable that Trump will just get elected again if Democrats stick to Russia made all this happen narrative.
And why in the Hell aren't the leftists (self including) making interesting political threads to satisfy this desire? It doesn't stop every group with a bunch of leftists in it.
Probably because it takes a lot of time and effort and we're too busy and/or lazy.
Please stop the self-flagellation or I'll have to flagellate you with annoying compliments. Anyway, on a jollier note, the Mark Fisher / Douglas Lain writing and podcast stuff is great.
Please stop the self-flagellation or I'll have to flagellate you with annoying compliments. Anyway, on a jollier note, the Mark Fisher / Douglas Lain writing and podcast stuff is great.
But it hurts so good. I don't know of Mark Fisher, but Douglas Lain's definitely got a way with words.
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 30, 2019 at 13:26#2839390 likes
One of the reasons why this version of PF is inferior to the old one is that there are very few Leftists here, which is a shame since there ought to be more political discussion in these times
Or...views of others are no longer being entertained as Aristotle taught us. "It is a mark of an educated mind to entertain the ideas of others without accepting them as your own".
That is no longer a possibility. It is times like these that I miss 180 and PB. The political climate is too focused on dismissing who is making the claim rather than the idea itself.
Yet we damn those in positions of power for doing something that we as a family of "thinkers" are incapable of doing ourselves.
Does that make us hypocritical?
Hmmmmmmmm.........
Nozick and Hayek aren't very relevant in modern right wing movements outside of casual name-dropping, given that they'd both be considered centrists or right-of-center at most in this climate. Nozick, as I recall, recanted many of his stances, and Hayek praised aspects of the welfare state that would be considered heretical by right wingers today such as healthcare and UBI. Perhaps more to the point, neither or them worked within the milieu of digital, hyper Capitalism, which thinking for a second now, really helps clarify modern right wing thought.
Mass influx of refugees from the desert to the cold north.
Civil wars of appointed rulers vs usurpers 'who have the best in mind', but are actually puppeteered by some Dominion.
A persecution of a certain faith.
Everybody's shouting... even on a public forum.
Meanwhile catastrophic changes that threaten the world and the prospect of a new age.
And so on.
Reply to Mr Phil O'Sophy
Consider the Eye of Magnus and all the mysteriously vanishing free energy projects.
How from one Frodnar, we've come to a swarm of pranksters.
How some radical cult wants to blot out the sun and is terrorising cities.
How an all-seeing eye is behind some guy hypnotising people.
So on, and so on.
Anyone know what's up lately with all the mystical, relativist, Buddhist types in the forum wanting to dispense life advice at the close of a conversation? Third time this week someone's tried to play Confucius on me.
These are like Chinese fortune cookies laced with some strong shit. Anyway, what you up to over in Oxnard? I got an appointment with my pdoc today at 3:30. I suppose I'll tell him about my disturbing lack of motivation that's been looming over my mother's mind.
Ruin has come to our family. You remember our venerable house, opulent and imperial. Gazing proudly from its stoic perch above the moor. I lived all my years in that ancient, rumor shadowed manor. Fattened by decadence and luxury. And yet, I began to tire of conventional extravagance.
Reply to Wallows You will arrive along the old road. It winds with a troubling, serpent-like suggestion through the corrupted countryside. Leading only, I fear, to ever more tenebrous places. There is a sickness in the ancient pitted cobbles of the old road and on its writhing path you will face viciousness, violence, and perhaps other damnably transcendent terrors. So steel yourself and remember: there can be no bravery without madness. The old road will take you to hell, but in that gaping abyss we will find our redemption.
The myths are probably based on memories combined with storytelling for pure entertainment infused with norms and justifications for later social structures.
I would like to dedicate my 1k comment to my mother, my husband, and everyone who's supported me in this long journey. I hope that my story can inspire generations to come and will contribute to making this a better world for all. *Wipes tear off face*
There's a guy sitting in a medium security prison right now, admitted as a sex offender. I've been reading about that. I don't think he deserves to die or be cut or raped, although those are all possibilities.
But what's going through my mind is that I'm suicidal a lot of the time. I always have been. But I've done ok in spite of that. Maybe this is the reason I survived this long. To do this one thing.
Nietzsche said to approach life like it's a work of art, but the artist isn't a dictator. Living is only partly an active thing. Living is also passively allowing the crazy universe to express itself through you.
Then you look back and see the unnerving beauty of it.
Cool, frank, you finally said something that makes sense.
I'm channeling aliens. When you get to be my age, you'll get your own alien. Until then you'll have to be satisfied with saying regular hateful human stuff.
The thornbird comes to mind for some reason. It's a legend about a bird which sings just once in its life, more sweetly than any other creature on the face of the earth.
From the moment it leaves the nest it searches for a thorn tree, and does not rest until it has found one. Then, singing among the savage branches, it impales itself upon the longest, sharpest spine. And, dying, it rises above its own agony to out-carol the lark and the nightingale. One superlative song, existence the price. But the whole world stills to listen, and God in His heaven smiles. For the best is only bought at the cost of great pain… Or so says the legend.
HBO sure did an amazing job with their miniseries on Chernobyl, as an untold true story.
Feeling bad for the workers that fateful night, along with the fire crew that was being blasted with gamma radiation. Just goes to show that in the wrong hands, nuclear isn't all that safe. And, besides, the reactor design was inherently unstable, so bears mentioning also.
From the moment it leaves the nest it searches for a thorn tree, and does not rest until it has found one. Then, singing among the savage branches, it impales itself upon the longest, sharpest spine. And, dying, it rises above its own agony to out-carol the lark and the nightingale. One superlative song, existence the price. But the whole world stills to listen, and God in His heaven smiles. For the best is only bought at the cost of great pain… Or so says the legend.
We do sort of throw ourselves into the knifes of life, don't we? That's why we go to war, hungry for experience.
Poland is a pretty boring place. Never understood what Hitler wanted out of that place. Then again the guy had some strange guilt trip when building concentration camps exclusively over there and none in Nazi Germany.
Reply to Wallows In fact, there were a great many concentration camps in Germany, but the dedicated extermination camps, such as Treblinka and Auschwitz, were all outside Germany.
Well, yes. But, I wasn't aware of work camps falling under the classification of concentration camps. Perhaps I used the term too broadly and needed to specify what you mean by "dedicated" here.
Well, if you turn upside down, then you are laying somewhere (in bed), and wallowing is the only appropriate response here. I classify wallowing as a healthy practice both for the soul and mind. Kidding aside, are you depressed? I don't think so...
Finally someone calls bullshit on one of these political pundits, who's brand is built on divisiveness, claiming that that the US is too divided and needs to come together.
^ Yeah leading conservative intellectual and master debater Ben Shapiro cries for a safe space when confronted by a well-known right wing Brit, who Ben calls a Leftist when confronted with straightforward questioning.
God forbid someone, moslem or not, raises issues regarding islam. The liberal intelligentsia's not-so-liberal reflexes activate immediately to protect the liberal's not-so-liberal sacred cow. :lol:
Its a philosophy website. We're supposed to talk about controversial stuff. It makes sense that they shouldn't be so ready to delete threads as they are.
A moslem giving lessons of open-mindedness to liberals. What a world we live in! :lol:
He is technically correct, “human life exists at conception.” I mean it’s not a giraffe embryo, and the mother is human. You could also say that human life exists at fucking. That could be confirmed by science. There’s gotta be some fucking studies!
I don't normally watch videos but I sat through every minute of that BBC Shapiro one. It was fabulous! I had to look up the interviewer Andew Neil to confirm that he really is right-wing and found that, yes, he is shockingly so! That Shapiro could believe he was a Leftist shows what sort of a self-spun fantasy land he inhabits.
Shapiro is a great talker and sounds genuine and convincing. An Um or Ah never escapes his lips. But when you see him confronted with someone that just puts forward facts, and ploughs doggedly on no matter how aggressive the responses are, you realise how much it's all just smoke and mirrors, masquerading as rationalism. The dummy spit at the end is priceless, as is Neil's closing line.
I was considering posting that too. For some reason talking heads like Shapiro feel they're owed an easy ride and can't handle difficult questions. Seen that happen a lot when they cross the pond.
Healthcare of wallowing you say? Well, I suppose I will die of a blood clot from laying in bed all day or a heart attack from the amount of smoking I've been doing as of late. Either that or cancer. So, I may be a "doctor"; but, I don't give advice due to being a blatant hypocrite.
The way I see it, college will become free if a democratic president gets elected in 2020. I figure it's going to come down to a showdown between Biden and Sanders. If Sanders can pitch his social democratic (not socialist, in my mind at least) take on addressing our national woes, then Biden will have to make concessions to Sanders program. If education becomes free in 2020, I will seriously consider going back to college or transfer to UCLA, if they can accept me...
Alabama Senate just passed a ban on abortion in all cases except for cases in which the life of the mother is in danger. Doctors in the state that perform an abortion procedure could be charged up to 99 years imprisonment. The measure will require the signature of Alabama's governor who is expected to sign it.
Like they don't have enough rats to poison before giving them to the cats! Should be killing 2 birds with one stone the way the economy is.
I saw that Australia hasn't had a real recession in 28 years. I'm not sure how that's possible.
But their biggest trading partner is China, China is struggling with the trade war, so it might be that Australia is on the verge of contraction due to one guy.
Reply to Baden I have never watched an episode of Game of Thrones. I've actually never watched any show that you have to stream or whatever it is that the kids do these days. It's all stupid, just like video games are stupid, which I also don't play.
Can someone tell me what happened in the GOT finale so it spoils the whole 8 seasons for me and I never have to watch any of the damn thing ever?
[hide="Reveal"]The bastard who isn't really a bastard but is actually the true heir to the throne kills his lover the dragon queen who is also his aunt; the dwarf who committed treason against the now-dead dragon queen is put to trial but gets out of it by basically appointing a new king who promptly makes him his second-in-command; this new king being a cripple, the half-brother of the true heir to the throne, and also sort of a tree person with clairvoyant and animal-controlling powers.
So like I said above, rubbish. I would have much preferred it if the ancient ice demon who had been built up for 7 seasons as the true enemy just killed everyone instead of being defeated so easily in episode 3.[/hide]
No idea, but if you watch a few old movies you might get a better idea. They always blame mutations, walking tomatoes, 50' women and big husky men on radiation of some kind.
Reply to Michael I saw the movie a long time ago. It was about robot cowboys in an old west theme park that went rogue and fucked everything up. It was a cool movie, so I guess this is some sort of remake that I now have to watch because you said for me to.
How many hours is this going to take me? Maybe I'll watch it at 1.5 speed.
Communism will eventually prevail; because society is composed of people, and it is the ethical thing to do. Maybe not in a 100 or 1000 years; but, eventually yes.
There's also the issue of progressing from socialism to communism. It might be the case that we get stuck on socialism and never make the final leap to communism.
Yes, but right now we're limited to wishing and waiting for that dream to become a reality, as we sit back from afar watching the already realized communist Utopias of Cuba, North Korea, and China living in perfect harmony.
Perhaps it is interesting to note, that the USSR was a socialist republic, much as North Korea and Cuba identify themselves as socialist republics. Goes to show that those people are realistic in some regards.
Anyway, I'm going to toot my own horn here and say that my work on fostering a more interactive and academically incentive on trying to assert a futile attempt at authority in the Wittgenstein reading groups has paid off handsomely.
There were casualties though, in regards to the incomplete reading group on Kripke's Naming and Necessity between @Janus and @Banno.
I still think Janus had a point in regards to definite descriptions attaining a surrogate status of a rigid designator for abstract "objects", like God or Santa Claus or the present king of France.
This article has been making the rounds and generated a firestorm of conversation across conservative circles today, and while there are numerous issues I have with it (most pointedly, the white conservative Christian persecution complex that posses it, and the susurration of theocratic fascism that pervade it), what's strikingly hilarious is the utterly picayune concerns that sparked the author's decision to write it, such as a "Facebook ad for a children’s drag queen reading hour at a public library" and when a "progressive clerisy launched an inquisition against the actor Chris Pratt in February over his membership in the wrong kind of church".
[hide="Reveal"]I'm on episode 4/5 and think that HBO did a great job at showing the heroism present in the Soviet Union at the time. The power plant workers, in the first episode, Valery Legasov and Boris Schcherbina in the second episode, the coal plant workers in the third episode, and so on.[/hide]
My only gripe is with the dramatic element of "radioactivity" and the drama surrounding exposure to it. There's a WHO report about this issue that downplays the danger to people exposed to it at the time, along with the fact that these people must have been looked after the event by medical professionals.
I'm new here, and I'm wondering if this is the right place for me. I have a few of questions, and since this thread is so active, it seemed as good a place to ask them as any.
One of my main concerns is privacy. I was unable to find a privacy policy for this forum (I already posted about that over on the invasion of privacy thread here).
Another is that I'm wondering who I'm talking to when I post here. As a philosophy student, one of the things I'm looking for is the chance to bounce my arguments and ideas off established academic philosophers and get some feedback. I don't mean to suggest that these are the only people worth talking to, or even the only people I personally want to talk to. But it is something I'm looking for.
Finally, on a technical front, is there a way to get notified when a thread I am interested in is posted to? Other than just sorting through all the threads manually, I mean.
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There's no one specific thing I'm concerned about; it's the whole shebang. Although the one thing from the list you gave me that the TOS did seem to cover was intellectual property rights.
PS As I understand it, I grant the site's owners a whole host of rights to the material I post, but no more than that. I otherwise maintain ownership. Please correct me if you have a different understanding.
I'm reading an article in favor of Conservative Democracy by Yoram Hazony, whose recent book The Virtue of Nationalism was named 2019 Conservative book of 2019. He talks about how Liberal Democracy, which he characterizes as the reigning socio-politics since WW2 in developed nations, has failed. What's interesting, and telling, is that Capitalism is hardly mentioned; only vaguely and mostly anodynely referred to.
Conservatives bemoan how we've strayed from a religious-based morality, but this assumes that religious traditions, laws, and practices from the past have an exclusively non-natural foundation, i.e. that none have any connection with material well-being and flourishing in their own respective ages within which they developed.
What's most disturbing to me about this is not necessarily what happened, which may have been nothing malicious (if you read the full article) but that Americans think it plausible that their police are murdering people and stealing their organs to cover it up. Smells like a sick environment.
What's most disturbing to me about this is not necessarily what happened, which may have been nothing malicious (if you read the full article) but that Americans think it plausible that their police are murdering people and stealing their organs to cover it up. Smells like a sick environment.
Not my take on the issue. My POV is that there was a fundamental disregard for innocence until proven guilty, along with the inhumane treatment of the individual, along with an opaque lack of transparency. I mean, they did file an FOIA in regards to the incident, and still nothing. Makes Rodney King look like peanuts.
"It's not unusual to take organs out of a body during an autopsy, especially if you believe they were subject to trauma. The highly unusual part is to misplace them," Merritt said.
For seven months, the family could not track down Palmer's brain, heart or throat. They say they were told by the York County Coroner to check with the funeral home for the body parts.
"The funeral home says they hadn't touched the body," Merritt said.
What is this, North Korea?
Oh, wait, after seven months they were told his organs were found:
The family says they were later told by the coroner that the body parts were at an independent lab. However, the lab, Merritt says, has refused to hand over the parts, citing an ongoing investigation.
Merritt says the family believes the body parts will reveal details of how Palmer died. "But we haven't been able to get them back yet," Merritt said. "His constitutional rights are being violated."
What's most disturbing to me about this is not necessarily what happened, which may have been nothing malicious (if you read the full article) but that Americans think it plausible that their police are murdering people and stealing their organs to cover it up. Smells like a sick environment.
A guy goes into the police station to resolve what sounds to be a misdemeanor warrant and a few days later he comes out in pieces in a body bag. I'm not sure what the average American thinks happened, but maybe the next of kin should have been notified more quickly so that an aggrieved family wouldn't run to a lawyer to start making up crazy stories. My guess is there was some neglect of a drug induced inmate and they processed his death without really thinking about the fact they had a son and brother on the gurney as opposed to a piece of evidence.
On the eve of his wedding, a man falls into a pit full of corpses and becomes possessed by a Jewish woman who thinks it's her wedding. The situation is discussed by guests at the wedding, all of whom are drunk.
Reply to fdrake The situation is dire. Have you seen Boris's proposed tax cut? Disgusting. My only hope is that this accelerates the arrival of a Labour government.
Boris is doing a Trump. All tax cuts and xenophobia. Unfortunately, that's what works these days.
Does anything short of open borders equate to xenophobia? It just seems like no one can advocate for immigration regulation without being accused of bigotry.
I'm personally pro-immigration controls and have never argued for or know anyone who has argued for open borders everywhere, so the answer to your question is stop defending the xenophobic orange man.
I'm personally pro-immigration controls and have never argued for or know anyone who has argued for open borders, so the answer to your question is stop defending the xenophobic orange man.
I'm not defending Trump. I'll concede his personal bigotry. Whether his immigration policies arise from a dark place or whether they're just to secure votes, who cares? How are the substance of his policies different from yours? I get you don't like the rhetoric, but if all he's doing in substance is regulating immigration, then he seems to have views consistent with yours. In fact, I can hardly tell the two of you apart.
Been particularly distressed this week over continued coverage and conditions occurring at the southern border, heightened by the fact that a member of my extended family, who is a liberal Jew, was more concerned over the usage of 'concentration camp' by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez than by the actual inhumane conditions immigrants are subjected to.
I actually am a fan of Searle's philosophy, but obviously not of what he's accused of doing, none of which I can determine is true. Speaking in the hypothetical, if he did as he was said to have done, he should have been removed as soon as possible.
Just came across this bit of gold in Anscombe's obituary in the Guardian:
"Once, threatened by a mugger in Chicago, she told him that that was no way to treat a visitor. They soon fell into conversation and he accompanied her, admonishing her for being in such a dangerous neighbourhood."
Funny how the Tories manage to get their shit together just after Corbyn's faction started appropriating public outrage and political class consensus building against them for another referendum.
Who's it going to be? The racist buffoon who wants to make the wealthy "middle" class (those earning £50,000 - £80,000) even wealthier, or his bland competitor who wants to make big business even wealthier and waste tens of millions on defence? Probably the former.
Just came across this bit of gold in Anscombe's obituary in the Guardian:
"Once, threatened by a mugger in Chicago, she told him that that was no way to treat a visitor. They soon fell into conversation and he accompanied her, admonishing her for being in such a dangerous neighbourhood."
Just came across this piece of gold. Worthy of a shout out but too easy to miss or pass by in the Shoutbox. If only muggers of any kind could be philosophical or savvy enough to listen and talk.
Too often the attack knives are out, no thought involved. This was refreshing but difficult to imagine.
It did remind me of Mary Beard taking on her online abusers and meeting up with one.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/aug/27/mary-beard-befriends-twitter-trolls-online-abuse
Didn't know much about Anscombe but this excellent obituary put that right. Quite a character. A friend of Wittgenstein. And more...
'...Wittgenstein famously said "philosophical problems arise when language goes on holiday", and spoke of trying to cure such problems by examining the way we use concepts. Anscombe applied a Wittgenstein-type analytic therapy to philosophy of mind. But her application was far more systematic and thoroughgoing than Wittgenstein's cryptic, suggestive hints, and was also distinctively her own.'
It would be interesting to find out more about her methods and writing on moral philosophy and philosophy of mind.
'Elizabeth Anscombe, who has died aged 81, was considered by some to be the greatest English philosopher of her generation. She was professor of philosophy at Cambridge from 1970 to 1986, having already, as a research fellow at Oxford in the 50s, helped change the course of moral philosophy.
Also influential in philosophy of mind, she pioneered contemporary action theory, and the pre-eminent philosopher Donald Davidson called her 1957 monograph Intention the best work on practical reasoning since Aristotle. The philosophical world owes her an enormous debt, too, for bringing Wittgenstein, probably the greatest philosopher of the 20th century, to public knowledge.'
Hey guys, have you heard the news? Liberalism has become obsolete.
Hmm should I wake my sleeping young liberal home from college and inform him? Oh and "S, make sure you let the institutes of higher education know, they will need to adjust their fall classes.
I know we have talked about Ketamine and I am inching closer to considering trying the procedure. After 30 years of being merged from one antidepressant to another, currently on two a day, I would like to free myself of this managed depression. I don't think it's effective as it once was and frankly dear, I am sick and tired of being dependent on a flippin pill that doesn't really work.
I am at least at a stable level that I can work with but as you know, the highs are not as high to keep the lows from being too low. What a roller coaster my friend~ I am here for you, sitting right beside you~ :sparkle:
Try adding some lithium to your regimen. Of course that won't solve everything; but, lithium is well-known to boost the effectiveness of antidepressants.
What worked for me is coming to terms with my depression and not fighting it too much, hence my wallowing. I just wallow nowadays.
Look up lavender oil It's pretty cheap and effective.
Lavender Oil+lithium+antidepressant will balance you out pretty well.
I know you are into Cannabis products. And wanted you to know that CBD is a pretty potent antidepressant and anti-inflammatory drug. I recommend getting a tincture or edible for stable dosing and good absorption. I want to get a 1:1 or 1:8 THC:CBD tincture to help me with my own dealings with depression and ADHD. I also became an avid smoker as of late, so I need to ensure that I'm offsetting cancer concerns.
Anyone watching the women’s World Cup? Big match today, England vs USA. I think England will upset the USA, for my money. They’ve looked more dominant. Either way, it’ll probably be the best competition of the tournament. I think the women’s WC has been as competitive and interesting as last year’s men’s WC. At least to this [s]soccer[/s] football newbie. Plus the women look better in ponytails and shorts than the men, imho. (Though not quite as good as our athletic moderators do! :lol: )
Reply to Michael
Quick, set the DVR to record! There’s still time... :grin: Here at least (in midwestern USA) it has been fairly well hyped. Plus one of the US players pre-emptively declining a possible White House visit got some juicy headlines. (Not a week goes by without some teenager-like drama from the Commander-in-Tweet).
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@Wallows Thank you for the heads up on the Lithium! My biological father was on Lithium for as long as it had been around. Dangerous stuff if one takes it as they feel like they "need" it rather than as prescribed. My Dad almost died from hitting his head, being hospitalized and not informing the Docs that he had cut his dose. So when they gave him the prescribed dose, after day 3 he was lost mentally and could not list more than one of the 50 states among other tests. Once they figured out it was Lithium poisoning my Dad came back mentally. @Michael
Interesting study on smoking cannabis as opposed to smoking tobacco and not smoking at all.
As long as you don't have problems with your Gall Bladder or Liver, edibles seem to work out well, especially when it comes to accurate dosing and those with compromised breathing.
There are suppositories available as well as sublingual delivery systems for cannabis. It all depends on each person's need and desired effect.
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@Waya How has life been treating you? :flower:
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Actually, independence was declared by a vote in Congress on 2nd July and most historians believe that the Declaration of Independence wasn't signed until 4th August, so your Independence Day is nothing but a lie.
Oh, no. The doses I mention are significantly lower than those for BPD. If you really care for my advice, smoke pot richer in CBD, something like 1:1 ratios. Bacopa Monnieri is pretty good for your mood and depression, and can help you focus on school-work as it's a touted nootropic. It helped me quite a bit. Lavender oil is another as I mentioned. Polygala Tenuifolia is a cheap Ayurveda herb touted in Chinese medicine to treat depression. Look into boosting BDNF levels. I can go on; but, all this stuff is pennies a day worth of total cost, so let me know if it helps.
Actually, independence was declared by a vote in Congress on 2nd July and most historians believe that the Declaration of Independence wasn't signed until 4th August, so your Independence Day is nothing but a lie.
So, if I am reading you right, what you are saying is that birthing a nation has an "active labor" time of approximately one month?
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Regarding this CA earthquake, they keep saying that it happened in the middle of nowhere but near Bakersfield.... I hope those in Bakersfield aren't too offended. :roll:
Happy Independence Day to all the gringos present. No offense meant there. :smile:
I still think we need to come up with a new, international, inter racial, gender neutral, non religious, completely culturally inclusive day that we can all celebrate together. Any ideas?
I still think we need to come up with a new, international, inter racial, gender neutral, non religious, completely culturally inclusive day that we can all celebrate together. Any ideas?
Charles Surber and I have already taken care of it. Back in 1969, we established August 12 as Jagged Edges Day. Getting recognition has been slow-going, but I think it may be ready to break out.
We had a 7.3 quake here 10 years ago. My house was 2 meters off the ground before it and sitting on the ground after it. After shocks went on for days after it, some of them over 5.
It is not nice not being able to move for what seems like forever.
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Happiness, Happiness - Yes of course! - Like oxygen! - But happiness without illusion?...Is it possible?...Improvising amidst this chaos I'll drink about that!
I do think we live in some sort of Hell as evidenced by the fact that things are so fragrantly absurd and stupid, a parody of the times we live in is unimaginable. Like there's no way to satirize the times because this is what satire would look like. In fact, even the most skilled satirist couldn't imagine it. Fiction itself has been overcome by reality.
I'd pull out of the stock market until this bubble bursts.
Robert LockhartJuly 18, 2019 at 17:02#3078700 likes
Burp! Seems disilusionment is our fate an' that just about everything is to be revealed as an illusion - ie pschycology disguised as rational - ex Patriosm (great to imagine reactionaries being stupified) b ut also lots more stuff - like even Wuthering Heights type intensities of love! I understand from the messages I have received that I am to continue to imbibe until further revelation is conferred....Let you know!
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He was able to reach out into the great beyond the Forum and guide me back home! :100:
It's good to be home~ :hearts:
I apologize in advance for the shade you are going to be in for bringing me back as some might think me floating out in the ether might not be such a bad idea! :smirk:
Oh yeah! :party:
Okay, on the count of three we will both stop cross posting....ready? :rofl:
...yep. Nearly did though replying to your last post. We safe now? :razz:
Yes Sir! We can relax because this is a safe place :flower:
I call it, "Lonely Man Standing at the Side of The Road in The Snow Staring at a Truck in a Stupor".
You ain't no peng'un historian, Mikey. Don't be given papa Hanover no lip or you'll be in for a good hidin'. Your kind ain't welcome around these parts. Take your new spangled intellectualism elsewhere. You hear me, boy?
Challenge accepted. :naughty:
Yeah, well don't criticize what you can't understand. For a comprehensive list of flightless birds, see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flightless_bird.
Penguins used to fly. https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiX9OfN3NrfAhVQS60KHVisD1oQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.nationalgeographic.com%2Fnews%2F2013%2F13%2F131320-penguin-evolution-science-flight-diving-swimming-wings%2F&psig=AOvVaw3JKG3NSdJcp2mU9eGjADBX&ust=1546917961103347
In fact, when I was kid, I had a pet flying penguin. His name was Corky and he could talk Gaelic and he ate cheese fries, but I had to get rid of him because of his porn addiction and racist humor. No one could make this up, so it must be true.
Scientific accuracy sacrificed at the altar of a dick joke. David Attenborough would not approve.
How do we do that as individuals? :joke:
Hmm, we must listen to Elon Musk. He is our one and only savior.
Darlin, I am with you. I have seen a flock of chickens flutter off when being chased by dogs. Not my dogs of course and well not my chickens but none the less they survived by running lifting their fluff off the ground high enough and long enough. :wink:
Well, you just have to think it through more thoroughly, as in the appendage is useless for how it was originally intended, but since it's there, it might as well be taken advantage of. I'm not sure what Baden uses his now obsolete appendage for, but I'm sure it's for something and it's not entirely ornamental. You'll have to ask him for more specifics.
Wha? Who's talking about dicks? I was talking about your gimp arm.
Poor chickens. You just have to train them and they could fly around.
Yes, it is clearly struggling with flight. But, it IS flying...
Yes, I am [s]wallowing[/s] ehem, I mean wondering if some predator chased a chicken in a field, would it be able to sustain flight or would eventually be caught by said predator.
Yes, I suppose it would be unethical.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Even if the chicken was a Nazi, then we must still show compassion towards it. I digress now.
A conspiracy?
We must be careful not to give them any ideas. The pig in my avatar told me that its friends on the animal farm are considering an uprising.
Yes, bread and circuses shall be the main dish for us swine's.
When I was a wee lad, my head no higher than a grasshopper, barely able to see above the blades, there was a family with a pet turkey, who I shall today name Kevin. Kevin used to get chased by the dogs as well and that would create quite the ruckus as no one wanted to see Kevin be made supper. Once Kevin was cornered on Robbie's front porch and we thought that the end of Kevin, but Kevin did as you said. He flapped furiously and gained enough height to soar over the railing where he lived to see another day.
I know this tale was fascinating. If you're interested, I'll tell you about the friendly squirrel who I shall today name Joseph Alan, who met a fate not worse than death, but exactly equal to death when he bit the power line. Prior to that, he would eat nuts out the hands of the neighbor children, so there was a certain sadness in laying Joseph Alan to rest. I was a pall bearer, walking sullenly holding the tiny casket in my kilt as the bagpipes played Lady Gaga's "Bad Romance" in an odd historically impossible moment.
And yes, I shall continue to tell absurd stories until someone bests me.
My little white faced monkey got chased by the dog of my neighbor (not my neighbor's dog, he was cute) he ran up a power pole and crossed the wires on a transformer. There was not much of him left to bury but everyone remembers how a monkey took out the power in half of the town.
Absurd but true.
Beat that.
Sad really.
Yep. Plus mothers are self-sacrificing.
I find this oddly comforting
There have been only two times in my life where I lost control of my physical actions and punched a wall. The first time was during the initial impact of losing my Dad after I lost it emotionally, I punched a barn wall.
The other time was immediately after having to put my 7 year old Rottie, PERFECT in the MIND but had broken his back. After I had to make the call to have him put down, was with him of full mind and had to end his life. That made me punch a dashboard of the car I was a passenger in on the way home from that.... damn it
True. Second question (from the same movie), how much of mind and personality comes from biology?
Like fighting back when something is very painful. I think that's just human, not male or female.
Once I was trying to start my weed wacker and I kept pulling the starter and it wouldn't start until finally I pulled something in my shoulder, so I threw it off into the creek, and as it spun toward its death, I thought to myself maybe there was a better way.
You know how like when you say something and you want to grab it from the air and put it back into your mouth before it's heard. Sort of like that.
Have you read the Bible?
I did proof read it after I wrote it. Why? Did you notice an error?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46846467
:lol:
With the greatest respect, your attempt at sarcasm falls short of the commonly accepted standard this side of the pond, but I hear what you say, of course.
Yes, I know you're impressed. You'll have to come over for dinner some time and we can discuss it further. I'll provide the main course and you can bring the dessert. I like a good tart.
Speaking of which, how's your mother?
That's not always derogatory. Some little old ladies mean it in a good way.
No they don't. Bless your heart.
Fiction or non-fiction?
If you can get into the habit of writing a thousand on-topic words a day, you'll have a book worth's of editable material in around two months. By then a form organisation that works will probably have come to you (if you don't have that already).
Is this some strange parallel world we are living in?
No, in that world he'd tell the truth.
Quoting Baden
That may prove difficult
Doesn’t have quite the same ring as “I have a dream”.
It is. Especially if you've got a day job. But I'd still advise you to pick a number (whatever seems feasible) and stick to it. It quickly becomes a matter of habit then. And you might surprise yourself with what comes to you while putting in the time to get your words on the page.
I reckon non-fiction is much easier to write than fiction, but I'm guessing fiction is what you wish to write (don't we all?).
Here are some tips that might get you started:
What's a "story" anyway? When does it begin, what makes it good, and when does it end?
Stories begin when a character(s) encounter(s) a conflict/obstacle/problem/hurtle/enemy/challenge; stories get good when we relate to/identify with those character(s); and stories resolve/end when the characters overcome (or fail to overcome) a central or series of conflicts.
The more we are able to identify with (and what) the characters are feeling (especially re: motives), the more we relate to them, the more believable they are, and the more we become immersed in and with their situation.
The more conflict, generally, the better. Stories get interesting when something that triggers emotion happens, and the most reliable way to trigger emotion is to put your relatable characters through emotionally poignant ordeals.
If you focus on writing which develops relatable characters, and expose those relatable characters to conflict which is important to them (and therefore triggers emotion in the reader), you will be well on your way to completing a healthy story. The nature of the characters and the conflict should help you determine the appropriate ending, which seems to be far less important than establishing the fundamental bare bones of a compelling story to begin with...
When it comes to writing relatable characters, remember: show, don't tell: e.g:
James was a bank robber, as cruel and greedy as any that have come before him. That morning he took down a bank by violently threatening the manager.
vs
"Just as the office doors clicked shut, James pulled out his switchblade and grabbed a handful of the bank manager's hair. He leaned in while pressing the blade against her throat, and whispered intensely "You're gonna get your keys and take me to see the deposit boxes. Try to run, make sudden movements, or anything else, and they'll be counting the holes I put in you. Do I make myself clear?".
The other tip with regard to relatable characters is to always consider what they want. If the reader can tell what your character wants (and why for bonus points) then they will be able to identify with them. Even if characters are nothing like the reader, we're still capable of using our imagination and can still experience emotions from different perspectives (which is kind of the point of storytelling).
Want/motivation, conflict, action/resolution; focus on these fundamentals!
The only other tip is that first drafts should be uncomfortable and fraught with issues. After you produce a chunk of writing, set it aside for several hours or days and come back to it with fresh eyes. When you do review your own writing, focusing on the few basics I've outlined should help you make productive edits rather than being overcome with self-doubt.
If you're looking for something to get started with, writing prompts are a good way to force yourself to actually begin. Stories don't need to have the creativity of Star Wars or the complexity of the Lord of The Rings to be good, but they do need emotionally identifiable characters, and conflict which compels action, and you can do that with just about anything.
Here's a prompt (for a short) you can challenge yourself with: want: someone desperately wants to be the first person into a movie theater to acquire the very best seat. obstacle/conflict: there is a sea of strangers in front of them, who are equally obsessed with the film in question
Excellent distillation of what a ton of books on writing novels take hundreds of pages to say. :up: Of course, some of the best novels ever take this advice and crap all over it (Ulysses, Gravity's Rainbow, Infinite Jest etc.) but it's a good place to start anyhow. :sparkle:
Thanks!
Naturally, you are right. I've overstated the case by ignoring the many other (often experimental) angles of approach to storytelling. Many say Ulysses is the best piece of english literature ever produced, and it doesn't really conform at all to the standard get-started formulae (I tried reading it when I was younger but just couldn't penetrate it).
The road less traveled can definitely make a difference (for better or worse), but the well-tried path will never fail you!
Maybe if you sit very hard on him, you can squeeze some of that extra money out of his orifices.
Quoting Michael
Or ask for a pay rise?
I just got a pay rise two months ago after my promotion. Although it's actually currently half a pay rise as I don't get the full amount until May. And this new guy is getting more than that full May amount.
At the very least I might demand the full raise now. I do get bigger bonuses but I shouldn't have to depend on bonuses to get paid more than my junior.
At the very least make sure to make his work-life a living hell. That would be completely unfair and inappropriate, but will surely make you feel a lot better about the whole thing.
I'll just tell my boss that I want to be paid more and imply that I'll quit if I don't. It's a win-win really as either I get the money or I have the motivation to do something different with my life. I've been having something of an existential crisis recently so an excuse to move cities or to go back travelling might be a good thing.
Sure. I was being facetious.
Quoting Michael
:up:
Move to Atlanta. You can shine my shoes. In your spare time (because I only have one pair), you can write a book no one will read (this is the clever literary device known as foreshadowing, just you wait...).
That's not snarky btw. It's the clever foreshadowing reveal, the culmination of the stage I set, a dazzling array of coming together of seemingly otherwise unrelated posts.
A slow applause fills the room: clap: :clap: :clap:
I would strongly consider finding a new job.
Lawyers don’t wear shoes. You all have cloven hoofs. Or is it your version of stamp collecting? Probably with the owners’ feet still inside. I know how much you like feet.
I dimly recall a Seinfeld plot in which something similar happened to George. As I recall, he wound up sleeping with his subordinate.
Unlike Brexit I'll have a plan in place before I hand in my notice.
He already gets more pay than me. He ain't that lucky.
Who you kidding?
Very clever. Who did it?
Shh.
Thanks for taking my grumpiness with good humour.
I'm starting to suspect that we will never finish Naming and Necessity without someone or something guiding us over or through it like a companion.
Cheers.
Hanover would of course be the villain.
Aptly named even before it gets invented.
"callback": A request by the manufacturer of a defective product to return the product (as for replacement or repair)
would someone please save me from 8hrs of PRE-Algebra every day for the last 7 days?
For ducks sake this class is online until the middle of May AND I ACTUALLY have to learn this stuff, THIS time around, since I need to pass the NEXT Algebra class to satisfy my Bachelors degree in Social Work.
If someone could please provide me with a real life scenario of a Social worker and their patients, in an Algebraic expression, that will FLIPPING matter to my degree, I will pay you handsomely in praise!
Do I sound a bit salty about this digit and letter flip fest? :chin:
Soooooooooooooooooooooo screwed! :scream:
Sure, rent is $1200 and you earn $10/hour as a social worker. You're taxed at 28%. Each client spends 45 minutes with you. How many clients do you need to see a month to make rent?
Not enough info. What are the tax brackets? How much are the expenses for things like food, clothes, and gigolos? Does she live in a neighborhood with a high chance of being mugged?
Good questions. Taking them one at a time: 28% of her $10 is taken directly by Trump. She eats only bread, feta cheese, and turnips at $3 per day and a quarter. I'm not sure what you charge for gigolo fee, but I'm sure it's well worth it whatever it is. She does the mugging and earns $2,500 per hour, taxed at 35%, which she dutifully reports and pays.
Yes, I was thinking of you when I came up with the name. What are we to do with you? I don't think that repair is a viable option. Might have to go with replacement.
How could you even think about calling me back when I have never called you in the first place? That is dumb.
Why would I want you to call me? You are beginning to sound a little perverted.
Quoting S
Now you are definitely sounding perverted. :worry:
Quoting S
Is that some sort of projection of yourself, are you repairable? I have always wondered about your limited intelligence and fixation on spelling and grammar, your are a bot posting as if you are human.
Quoting S
I am irreplaceable, I am unique. And the fucking bots are not going to replace me ever. :cool:
I'm just a big fan of irony, and I love the irony of an English teacher (or former English teacher) who has below par grammar, yet either doesn't realise it or is in denial about it.
And I know it pushes your buttons.
So basically you admit that you love low quality stuff.
You obviously love yourself a lot.
Therefore you must be low quality stuff yourself.
Now that is what is ironic.
And sentences with 4 commas are not really a good thing to write. For a person that professes to know everything I would have thought that you would know that already.
I'm just a big fan of irony, A complete sentence, it does not need anything else and the next clause is irrelevant to this.
and I love the irony of an English teacher, or former English teacher, Another complete sentence. One that does follow on from the previous. There is no reason for them to be part of a complex sentence as neither qualify as a subordinate clause to the other.
,who has below par grammar,
This is a restrictive relative clause, you do not put commas around it.
If I was not so busy cutting my nails I would rewrite it properly for you.
Quoting S
Now you are getting kinky. Do I have to ask the mods for a restraining order against you? Keep away from my buttons.
Sorry, did you say something? I was paying very little attention. However, I did notice that you erroneously tried to correct a British English spelling to an American English spelling. You'll never guess where I'm from.
And, you can, never, have too many, commas, in, a sentence. Trust me, I know that because I have all of the right answers.
Don't cha think?
And you will never guess where I am from. Manchester.
I just know how to push your buttons as well.
Quoting S
Looks like your English tutor really screwed up speaking and writing.
That should be a single sentence with a colon instead of a full stop. I'm from a part of England where they teach you things like that in school, instead of a place where children drop out of school to write songs about cigarettes and alcohol.
No it should not. You must try to understand that the way you do things is not the only way that is right.
Colons are usually used before lists or extra information to complete the sentence. Most of the time the sentence would either make no sense or change in meaning if the information following the colon was not there.
The sentence I wrote says exactly what I wanted to say as opposed to what you want it to mean. I did not have to add the extra information.
Quoting S
What they teach in schools is usually different from what the students actually learn. I went to 13 different schools in England, Canada and in the U.S.A. and learned several ways to do things.
Quoting S
So you live in a poor part of the country? Actually I have no idea what it is like in Manchester nowadays, I have not been there for more than 40 years.
You're pretty clueless, aren't you? A colon is supposed to be used to explicate something like that, and the way that you split the sentence into two separate sentences resulted in the second sentence being incomplete.
Perhaps you should restudy your primary school level English grammar.
No, but I am sure that you can teach if I ask you.
Quoting S
Did you not read what I wrote before? I did not write a sentence that included the word Manchester, I just answered your statement. Manchester was added as an after thought because I figured that you would never guess.
As I believe I have mentioned on numerous occasions, I write what I mean. The way you read it and what you might want to think it means is your problem.
No, I didn't read what you wrote before. I assumed that it was something along the lines of, "Y'all right our kid? What it is right, me boiler's gone and me 'ouse is dead cold! You don't get owt for nowt! Mad fer it!".
Hey, that's cool! How did you learn to write with a scouse accent?
[quote=GrammarBook.com]
He got what he worked for: a promotion.
You know what to do: practice.[/quote]
Now compare that with, "You'll never guess where I'm from: Manchester".
It clearly fits. That's a better way of doing it than how the Mancunian did it, but he'll never admit it. Or maybe he'll try to deny that it was a mistake by claiming that he did it on purpose to push my buttons.
They probably need enemas.
:up:
A colon is supposed to be used to reduce the water content of fecal matter after it exits the small intestine prior to excretion. The lack of a colon will result in an increased frequency in bowel movement and an overly watery stool. While not necessary for survival, it's of course preferable.
Those who have had part of their colon removed have, you guessed it, a semi-colon.
And the drum roll....
You missed the revolution.
No specified time limit as long as it passes muster.
Oh, e.g.
"pass muster
phrase of muster
be accepted as adequate or satisfactory.
"this manifesto would not pass muster with the voters"
Air Pollution Overview (Berkeley Earth)
Looks somewhat different from what I expected.
Air Pollution and Cigarette Equivalence (Richard A Muller, Elizabeth A Muller; Berkeley Earth)
Horrific air pollution in Europe (Berkeley Earth)
Don't you ever freaking well listen or read what information is given you?
I wrote exactly what I wanted and meant to write, and I don't care what you freakin grammar nazis care about it.
Trying to make other people look dumb is the only way you are ever going to look smart. But the problem is that you are not very smart.
Does anyone have the right to tell another person what they are saying, I don't think so. How can you even tell me what I am saying when you have no idea of the idea that I wish to express? You must know that just because a pattern exists, as in your borrowed example, that not all sentences HAVE TO fit into it.
Please define "better" as you think it applies to my 2 sentences compared to your sentence when they express different meanings.
And as for admitting wrongness: you should be the last one to speak.
Huh?
Triggered.
Got my raise :up:
:party:
:blush:
I'm at least ten times as tall if you include the size of my ego.
Six of one half dozen of the other.
Sorry, I only serve them with spam.
[hide="Reveal"]
Yes, spam and eggs please.
As for the eggs, make sure not to give me candy on Halloween when I ring your doorbell. You will get them. :wink:
I don't observe pagan holidays. :grin:
I don't observe any holidays. :cry:
A pity. Not even a birthday?
Well then. Back to eggs then.
Why did the the new egg feel so good?
[hide="Reveal"]Because it just got laid![/hide]
And I ended it too. Because you cannot answer even answer a simple question I suppose that means that you have, in your own words, given up and admitted defeat. :cool:
But I do agree with Mr Phil O'Sophy, you are a big meany. Your silly bullying tactics and your know-it-all attitude are rather pathetic. And you have your head so far up your arse that you probably meditate looking at you belly button FROM THE INSIDE.
I sense a disturbance in the force.
[hide]Who farted?[/hide]
*your
Hey, I have to give you something to respond to don't I. Otherwise people would say that I am mean.
And I know how to push the buttons as well. :wink:
Like always, he has nothing to say: except for picking at misspelled words. :chin:
Nice try.
I really don't give a fart in a wind storm. Or tornado if you refer.
Just enjoy it, its free. And it can be fun sometimes.
My mistake was not the missing "R".
You missed the one I left for you in the first line because you did not even bother to read my post.
Sad, sad, sad. :rofl:
He and I are like frenemies, only without the friend part.
How very doleful for you. Your life must really suck if you count people you don't even know as enemies.
And I think I would write frenemies with the "i", frienemies. Or even friendemies would sound better.
But you go ahead and write it however you want.
Did you find the mistake I left for you?
What would make me happy is if you learnt to recognise when you're fighting a losing battle, and if you learnt how to proofread. It would be for your own good. I'm a kind-hearted soul deep down, you see.
Proofread.
Or should it be
What would make me happy is if you learnt to recognise when you're fighting a losing battle: and if you learnt how to proofread.
Or even
What would make me happy is if you learnt to recognise when you're fighting a losing battle and: if you learnt how to proofread.
Maybe you had better check at grammar.com
As for this being a losing battle, you are the one that does not recognize that you have already lost it. Probably because you are the only one fighting.
Quoting S
Your concern is touching, creepy but touching.
Quoting S
That is what most bullies and dictators say. I will believe it when you are buried in a very deep grave.
Someone call the fire brigade, this guy is so hot he burns people.
Can I right the [s]propaganda[/s] advertising? I can just image the posters spread around the forum.
Come one. come all.
Our special guest, the right honorable S.N. Sir Mister "S", will hold forth or the sins of bad spelling and grammar.
Sign into the thread early to reserve a good viewing place of the action.
I hereby give the advertising rights to Sir2u. X Purple Pond 1/26/19
Wallow wallow.
I am going to bed, night all.
Goodnight Sir!
Pro O'Fread.
Roof feet.
Indeed. I was out partying.
Did I? Awesome.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jan/28/uae-mocked-for-gender-equality-awards-won-entirely-by-men?CMP=fb_gu&fbclid=IwAR3yBWNV0WjkUDe7nl1SSj3kP8wdJIxDetw-ARH9T5AsHsngpNddNrVYnRE
That's why they wear dresses.
Hmmmm... what evidence do you have to back up that claim? :smirk:
– @Terrapin Station
Sorry, this caught my interest but the topic had closed so I brought it here. It seems to me that a 'libertarian socialist' is basically a liberal (in the American sense at least).
Liberals want to regulate tons of behavior that I'm not at all in favor of regulating (on my libertarian side) and they'd not do what I'd so re socializing the economy (which isn't surprising as I'd make very radical changes on that end--for example, I'd have nothing like our present monetary system, I'd have nothing actually considered a monetary system, although you could say that it would function a bit like money in some ways).
I think that public ownership of the means of production, cooperatives, economic planning, etc, would infringe upon libertarian love of individual liberty. Also it seems that economic socialism encourages cooperation for mutual benefit rather than dog-eat-dog capitalism, so the underlying moral compass points more towards care (a liberal sensibility) than liberty.
Yeah, if you're just characterizing it as concern for others/care versus focus on individual concerns and capitalism etc., on the economic side I'm more "liberal," but I've yet to meet a U.S. liberal who would agree to how I'd approach economics. Part of that is just because what I'd do is so different than what we currently have that people aren't likely to independently arrive at it, so they'd need to hear it in detail to agree with it, but it's also because people have a tendency to just want to tweak the ways things currently are rather than wanting to basically wipe the slate clean and start from scratch, with no restrictions other than possibility re how we could construct things. What I'd do is more in the vein of the latter.
I’d like to read about it if you’ve published anything online or whatever. I checked for discussions you’ve started here but, remarkably for 6k posts, you haven’t started any discussion on this forum.
Not ready to ban you yet, bruh. :wink:
:victory:
His future now seems promising compared to the path being taken.
Atheistic evangelists? Scientistic evangelists? Rationalistic evangelists? I'll let you know. :rofl:
Sounds like economics and therefore social science, so my suggestion would be the 'Humanities and Social Sciences' category.
Oh, and I vote 'yes' btw.
Yes. :smirk:
[sup]Geeta Pandey, BBC, Feb 2019[/sup]
Maybe we'll get a court precedence for antinatalism?
I am starting to toy with the idea of Canada .. kind of under an age pressure as I think in order to move North AND become a citizen, I have to be under 50 to contribute enough to their society to be worthy of living life out in.
It's hard to get anyone to believe what is happening here in Arizona and I am getting tired of trying to get those who do not live here to have faith in what we are living. Not just folks overseas but an entire party of a two party system are living in denial of the reality of situation.
My kids are awesome but are leaving the USA in the next 10 years and would like nothing more than for us to move out of the country as well.
Mom is doing AWESOME and my StepDad is alive and bitchin! My Uncle in Chicago is my remaining family as the divide between my sister and I is not something she wants to or is willing to love beyond my Dad's passing and I am learning to be okay with that. In fact I have found myself becoming a lot more comfortable in letting others live their own journey as I working my way through college to get my Social worker degree.
How is life treating you?
I have an idea of where you can put that thread...
Who? :eyes:
You always were a fan of the mirrored ceilings :razz:
For your reading pleasure ;)
Living is expensive and I'm not even having fun
Same.
Ditto.
Try becoming a god, should be a lot of fun and your efforts would give us something to talk about here. :wink:
Haha, but the meek shall inherit the Earth.
WTF. If you are a god, you don't need the earth. Just make a new one to your liking.
Then, the only logical thing to do is become a solipsist and live in your own inner world, I gather.
Not going to work, I am here, you are talking to me, I am talking to you, therefore someone other than you must exist.
Don't even try to say that I am a figment of your imagination, you are not capable of imaging me. :cool:
But, if I wish really hard, maybe I can make it become true or die from a stroke from the mental exertion.
Wish away my good man, I will still be here tomorrow and you will still not be a solipsist. You are too smart for that.
But you good down grade the new you to be a super hero instead of a god I suppose. Maybe you could wish for super powers.
There's no time when my face is not pulling that expression. Except, of course, when I'm deadly serious: which is never.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z8MMS0Su4o
Where? I have only seen a few and they are already tame. You can talk to most of them without being bitten.
Who would you discuss religion with if there were only atheists here? :chin:
Problem with many of them with strong beliefs is that they seem to be unable to overcome biases and they can be logical and reasonable in any other argument but God, where they abandon all philosophical standards in order to become apologists and desperate to defend their belief.
Then there's the spamming, every other thread is someone posting about God and it's the same flawed argument wrapped in a different cloth over and over. It just feels like desperate attempts for them to find something that no one can argue against so that they have proof for their own belief. This kind of desperation for verification of their belief abandons all reason, which is why they never listen to people countering them and start a new thread under a different name. :grimace:
Belief versus reality, no contest, no middle ground.
One side or the other.
But as someone recently pointed out, there are quite a few aggressive atheists around here as well.
"Worse than the bizarre uses of Sun Tzu are the seemingly endless heartwarming and encouraging things that Confucius is claimed to have said. Blandly inspirational Confucius memes are now so numerous and so detached from reality that they have spawned a meta-meme, one that reads: ‘Confucius: I never said all that shit.’ Most of the memes detailing what Confucius ‘said’ say little that is compelling or even mildly interesting. But that is exactly why it’s so important to append ‘Confucius said’ to them. Without this addendum, bracing us to receive a bit of ‘Eastern wisdom’, we might believe them to be yet more dull mini-homilies."
I love this.
They ain't seen my house apparently. Who could get so brain screwed that they enjoy house cleaning? That is just so weird.
Think of some dream you've had. Imagine that you contemplate images in the dream as being symbolic and you find within yourself various ties to this and that. Doing this leads to the revelation of something you've been overlooking. You found it in yourself.
Now imagine that instead of looking within, you look outward and find a society that has fairly rigid meanings attached to images. It shows up in a variety of ways in the art and philosophy of this culture. As opposed to being oppressive, though, it opens up creative vistas. A garden can be read as a poem. The mention of a certain symbol in a poem is a doorway, not just to your personal reflections, but to a whole society's experiences across generations.
IOW, yes, you're right.
How do you feel about A1?
Would it B2 much to ask for you to explain what that is? (And no, I can't google it. My google is... er... broken).
UC, A1 is the first steak sauce created by Artificial Intelligence 1.0 but shhhhh don't tell anyone otherwise the other AI creatures will complain. As it is they are demanding "boost" breaks.
S, I love you more than you will ever understand. Thank you for being the constant you. :clap:
I would like to have put a heart emoticon but I know how you feel about PDA. :smirk:
OMG! Back to pies! There is a place called Lou Malnati's that makes a crustless deep dish pizza! OMG! They achieved this culinary delight by making a Sausage crust!
Simply Amazing!
So how am I supposed to add in my comments into the "Pinning Discussion"? :chin:
It is not very often that I agree whole heartedly with Sapientia but I do on this issue.
Someday our sense of community will rise to the snuff that is worthy of being on the main page. Until then, I love you all and hope that someone comes along or accidently falls into the lounge and reads my words AND hears them. :heart:
A girl can hope... :flower:
Well, stick it here I suppose and I'll transfer it over there. I closed it as I thought the issue had run its course, but the last few comments seemed on point enough to include. The horse that's being flogged is definitely on its last legs though. There just wasn't enough popular or mod team support for the proposal in the end.
I'm curious if it was effective in producing the intended result.
Shaking my head.. BDSM with animals is frowned upon over here in the civilized world.
Ah, you've moved to Canada already!?
How will you ever know if we don't give it a try?
And the following words from Sapientia's post really hit home with me because each and every one of us, start at a different point in our pursuit of knowledge and have to be able to understand some of the basic pitfalls when it comes to fallacies.
S~
My guess is those who do not wish to have the fallacies listed are the same folks who might not think they are effective as a tool of instruction, which they really are.
As 'thinkers' we are charged with offering any insight we can to those who follow behind us as we look to those ahead of us to do the same.
There is a Buddhist saying that is something along the lines of 'The flame of your candle, lighting the wicks of those that come after you, does not take any light from your flame but has the chance to light the way of so many more that follow.'
Additionally, PB, I am not sure if you knew him, was always very capable of talking about Philosophy on whatever level the person speaking to him was. PB had a skill that confirmed his understanding what the other person was saying (mirroring back) explained that he sees it a bit different from where he is standing and then goes onto explain the abyss between the two.
Yeah, it is a lot of work, work many would dismiss for someone else to handle but I can tell you that PB's flame lit my wick and I have been carrying this torch ever since. Passing it down to my children and effect by association with those I encounter.
Shrugs~ Just my two cents
I meant if moving the topic was effective. A question best answered by an admin, I guess.
And btw, many members fully know exactly which fallacy they're using, when they use them.
Probably best answered by the administrators. I realize that topics are moved and some of the time it rubs me the wrong way. I see topics moved to the lounge because they don't cut it for the main page and the opposite when there are threads on the main page that sound absurd enough to be moved.
Shrugs~ It is what it is and frankly I don't have the time to commit that they do.
Quoting praxis
If what you are asserting is true, does that bother you? What do you do to try and resolve it yourself? Sometimes I see a fallacy within the OP and I only have so much time to be here so I don't respond even though if I took the time and waxed my words a bit, the other member might be open to learning about fallacies.
I post fallacies on The Philosophy Forum Facebook page and can post some here as well. Once you have a REALLY good working knowledge of the fallacies, such as Sapientia does, you cannot help but try to explain where the fallacy is being committed. It is like a Spelling or a Grammar Nazi, Sapientia is a wizard of fallacies and I personally think they are fair game when it comes to using it as a 'tool' to explain your position.
Haven't done a scientific study on it, but my impression is it has, as expected, helped with quality (with all due respect to @ArguingWAristotleTiff's opposition).
Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
Just as I suspected...
If someone is using fallacies in order to 'win' an argument it can be frustrating at times. If it's really blatant I may point it out.
I think if you're interested in the subject and not so interested in winning an argument fallacies will not be much of an issue because your goal will be more oriented towards truth seeking than meaningless persuasion.
And I'd like to point out, in case it's not obvious, that I'm not an elitist. I'm not bright or well educated. I was a special ed kid until high school, which I barely graduated from, and only did a couple of years community college after that.
I don't understand what you mean.
:smile:
Praxis, I appreciate your sharing your thoughts on your personal history to give us an idea of where you are coming from.
But I must be honest with you.
From the first post you made, I was under the impression that you were as intelligent as the rest of us AND it turns out that you are.
You see, we are all the same in that we are searching for wisdom and exploring life along the way with each other. I might know more about one topic than Sapientia but then he has his strong suits too.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that you might be surprised at how well you measure up to others when you stop measuring. Your experience outside of the forum does not proceed you here. Who you are here, what you choose to share is for you to define. :ok:
Stick it to them lady.
Bless you, my dear. You are very sweet, and I'm sure you mean well, but deep down we both know that that's impossible. :razz:
(And before some smart arse tries to outwit me: no, I'm not talking about strong suits here).
Them be a damn fine two cents, madam. There's wisdom very relevant to what we were discussing in that Buddhist quote. And yeah, I knew Postmodern Beatnik. I thought quite highly of him: intelligent, knowledgeable, much more amiable than me, and much less facetious than me, although those last two points apply to most others as well.
Others are not as nice though. :up:
The rest of y'all are cool.
Okay, let's put this to the test. (Will you or will you not be shown to be a hypocrite?). I am hereby asking you not to reply to me.
This is win-win for me. :up:
Well, not exactly.
That's basically the whole comments section on YouTube for that video >.<
Yeah, but they don't say it with the same gravitas.
:joke:
Some losers will never understand why they are losers. It is because all they can think about is winning and nothing else matters. :rofl:
Lets see how long it takes him to answer, after all he is not one of the polite people I mentioned.
Huh? Answer what?
It would be nice if you two could just bury the hatchet. You're both decent sorts and life is too short, ain't it?
Okay, I will bury the hatchet. Bury it deep in his skull. And then we can move on. :smile: :up:
Compulsory joke noted. I remain confident my appeal to your better nature will eventually bear fruit. :smile:
(Please, no fruit jokes.)
Thank you for the compliment.
But I would miss out on all of the fun messing around with his mind, if that is what we uses to think with.
But anyway I would rather not talk to S when he becomes obnoxious, he can be very insulting.
I would recommend that he learns to read though. He replied to one of my posts after I specifically asked him not to unless I mentioned his name. I don't even know his name so there is not much chance of me actually mentioning it. :wink:
The good ones:
Diogenes, Hume, Kant, Nietzsche, G. E. Moore, Russell, Wittgenstein.
The bad ones:
Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Augustine, Aquinas, Descartes, Spinoza, Leibniz, Berkeley, Schopenhauer, German Idealists, Phenomenologists, Postmodernists.
The meh:
Locke, Hobbes, Rousseau, Existentialists, Pre-Socratics, Contemporary Philosophers, Others.
Eastern Philosophy has a mixture of good, bad, and meh, and is hard to classify.
I wish I could invent a new form of media unto which I could more completely express the disgust I hold for your classification, S. When the Philosopher-King revolution finally happens, you'll be the first against the wall. :rage:
I wouldn't take it too seriously. Within the past few days, he's held up Socrates as a hero and railed against Kant as a purveyor of nonsense.
LouOMFG Malnati's :party:
Looks like he's determined to be Agu's successor to the 10,000. And you're likely to pip me for bronze. Unless I keep making posts like this... :chin:
Yeah, I've gone into overdrive lately, and my obsession has spiralled out of control a tad. I must answer all of life's most important questions, like whether the mashed is the potato. :rofl:
The trouble with Hanover is that his bite is worse than his snark.
The specter of Hanover is haunting Unenlightened.[/quote]
Damn. Bitter Crank is on form. :clap: :lol:
I love a good ol' game of whack-a-mole.
The verses below are excerpted from a newly discovered manuscript found in the ruins of a recently excavated temple in southern China. Translation by Tee Si.
Hwan Yan and Chuang Tzu
Hwan Yan met Chuang Tzu on the street one day
He said “Master, I see you got a haircut”
Chuang Tzu responded “No, that is a sign you remain trapped in the world’s illusions.
I got them all cut”
Walking in the forest
Hau Su Kwei was walking in the forest with Master Ki.
Hau Su Kwei asked “Isn’t is true, master, that, although you preach to us of wisdom and enlightenment, you remain mired in worldly desires?”
To which Ki responded, “Fuck you, asshole.”
The Three Sages
One day three sages were meditating together.
The wisest, Moe Ron said “La Ri, what is the sound of one hand clapping?”
La Ri said “I do not know, wise one.”
Moe Ron slapped him hard across the face and said “Imbecile, you always fall for that one”
Cur Li bowed and said “This is surely true.”
The Physician
Lao Tzu had been ill and visited the great physician Oz Doc
After an examination, Oz Doc said “Your body exceeds its proper size.”
With anger, Lao Tzu replied “I respectfully request a second opinion.”
Oz Doc smiled and said “You are also unattractive.”
Life
Lao Tzu and Huang Tzu were discussing what is necessary for a good life.
Huang Tzu said “I believe that a long life is the best life,”
to which Lao Tzu replied “No, a happy life is best, no matter how short.”
Huang Tzu responded “No, I must insist, length is most important.”
Chuang Tzu, who had remained silent up to that point, finally spoke,“That's what she said.”
A Suitable Wife
A group of sages and students were walking in the country
Wan Li, a student, asked, “Master Lao, what kind of woman makes a suitable wife for a wise man?”
Lao responded “It is best for a wise man not to marry, but if he decides he will, the woman he chooses should be virtuous and loyal.”
Wu Tang added, “Yes, that is certainly true, she should also be honest and dedicated to her family.”
Then Chuang Tzu responded, “You are both clearly correct, and she should also be devoted to prayer and meditation.”
Master Lao then spoke again, “Oh, I almost forgot, she should also have big tits.”
To this, all present agreed.
I know where you can start. :wink:
Is that a roundabout way of saying we’re all gay? You wish.
Speak for yourself.
“Is that a roundabout way of saying we’re all gay? You wish.”
That’s what she said.
It was so funny that Chrysippus died from it.
Where on Earth is a good party place full of sunshine? :flower:
Told her so.
Gay. :eyes:
Anyway, how dare you doubt the words of our lord and saviour?
I can't believe it has been three years and you're still not ready to leave the nest. Do I have to climb up that tree and knock you out of it? :lol:
I was in Waikiki a few weeks ago. Super commercial and touristy but remarkably nice nevertheless.
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks, then it is probably a duck.
Anyways, it is not about doubting the words your lord and savior but about the existence of that being and the difference between it ans a pile of duck shit.
I miss TimeLine a lot. It's why it took me so long to come back.
:cry:
It is. As Baden keeps saying all of the time, I am one of those cool and rebellious types, so a band like Nirvana is going to appeal to me. Even though there's a bit of a paradox in that, kind of like how images of Ché Guevara became a popular fad.
Now that would be a good topic for debate!!!!!!! :cool: :smirk:
Did you ever listen to the Pink Fairies?
Huangjiu
This is a traditional song often sung at religious gatherings and celebrations in ancient China. Only two of the verses are presented. The entire song is much longer. Huangjiu means “yellow wine.” The ancient Chinese numbering system was additive, i.e. when values greater than 9 were expressed, numerical symbols were placed next to each other, e.g. 65 would be written as (60)(5).
(90)(9) flagons of huangjiu on the shelf
(90)(9) flagons of huangjiu
Remove 1 from the shelf
Share it with our brother monks
(90)(8) flagons of huangjiu on the shelf
(90)(8) flagons of huangjiu on the shelf
(90)(8) flagons of huangjiu
Remove 1 from the shelf
Share it with our brother monks
(90)(7) flagons of huangjiu on the shelf
This sequence of verses was repeated until all the flagons of huangjiu were consumed.
Knock knock
Master Li rapped on Chuang Tzu’s door with his walking stick
Chuang Tzu’s servent responded “Who is there?”
“Master Li”
“Master Li who?”
“Master Li who will ask Chuang Tzu to beat you if you don’t open the fucking door.
Your Mother
Master Si and Confucius were discussing Chinese family duties, with a special emphasis on duty to one’s mother. The discussion became heated and the two great philosophers began trading insults.
Master Si - Your mother is so fat, her reflection in the still waters of Lake Drahi in the moonlight lowered the water level by 3 yiajn.
Confucius - Your mother is so old, she babysat for the Duke of Zhou’s children during the Battle of Muye.
MS - Your mother is so ugly, Lao Tzu wrote “The unspeakable Tao is the basis of the entire world - the gods, heaven, the earth, the ten thousand things. Not Confucius’ mother though, she’s just too damn ugly.”
C - Your mother is so stupid, she thinks Chuang Tzu is where they keep the pandas.
I love these. I hope they translate more of these ancient manuscripts.
Thank you. I appreciate it. I love writing them. As bad as it may sound, I also like reading them. I laugh every time I do. I'm either a rare comic genius or really pitiful.
As for more, I've gotten a cease and desist order from the lawyers for Lao Tzu's estate, so that may not be possible. Tao®.
Wait, you wrote them yourself? I assumed that you had copied and pasted them from some website or something. :clap:
Well, of course I didn't write them myself. Ancient sages wrote them. I only translated.
:cool: :up:
He's no Lord and savior. A real Lord and savior doesn't die at his own hands, but chokes on his own vomit old school.
The dance moves of an angel.
Wonder how far up the ladder he was?
Divinely inspired lyrics:
My beer is sad for some reason.
Kinda angry sad. I know that one.
It looks like @S to me. It's a miracle.
Do you know, that photo really does poignantly reflect my life recently. I lost my last short-lived job because of what the NHS calls alcohol misuse, and I recently put my current job at risk for the same reason.
Nah, it may kinda look the same but Saint Sapientia smells like teen spirt, I imagine.
By teen spirt, do you mean he gets off too soon?
I have to nominate this for the best TYPO of the year, please don't edit it.
A family of six are packing their things to go on vacation. While packing, the family discusses basic math concepts with the two youngest children.
Mom: Don't worry, you guys aren't even in the third grade yet. You don't have to know anything except addition and subtraction.
Youngest Child(6yo): I know what 2+2 is! It's 4!
Mom and Dad: Yeah, that's right!
Oldest Child(13yo): Everybody knows that, it's practically the easiest one!
Middle Child2(8yo): No! The easiest one is 1+1!
Oldest Child: Oh yeah? You don't even know what the answer is!
Everyone is quite as they wait for the response of the of the Middle Child2.
Middle Child1(11yo): It's 2.
Middle Child2: I knew that!
Dad: No, it's 6.
Mom: Okay, that's enough of that! Let's take our bags out to the car now, okay?
Oldest Child: I get it! Dad your disgusting.
Rest of the Children: What, what?! Tell us what you get!
Oldest Child: Don't worry about it, you wouldn't want to know.
The children take their bags out to the car, while the mother reprimands the father for being inappropriate in front of the children.
Who got the joke?
Imagine a song where each note, if blown up and expanded, also turns out to be a song. And on and on.
Also, there is a musical version of Duchampe's ready-mades, but is there a literary version?
I wasn't thinking it was disgusting, only that 50% of people who read this script don't get the joke right a way. It's funny though.
Would you say sadness is a whole song or just one note? (Totally absurd, off the wall answer, please).
Yes, it was and I would say a whole song
In the meantime, here's something I learned today -
Ichthyologist: a scientist who studies fish.
You'll get over it. I did. A temporary blip in a sea of ecstasy.
I brought my dog inside and she smelled terribly of shit and upon exploration I noticed that she had a large turd affixed to the hair surrounding her anus. I put on some rubber gloves and hosed her anal region and vigorously massaged the feces away. She now smells sweetly of lavender scented shampoo. I then took a shower of my own, making sure to cleanse off any splatter that might have come my way.
I want to thank everyone here who has kept me in their prayers and been with me through this difficult time in my life.
Easter came early, lucky you.
Why lucky? you ask.
'Cus she didn't get it all over your favorite chair. :vomit:
:100:
You're going about it the wrong way. Ask not what your potential gf can do for you, but what you can do for your potential gf.
I will be your girlfriend for the right price.
Anyone else have this filter problem? Any idea on how to remove it?
When you get a moment, read this.
I think you'll like it?
I did that about two years ago. Thanks for bringing back the memory?
{{{Frank}}} <
Ain't that the truth bro. :smile:
:blush:
Mmmm Banno…. I should have sensed his wisdom behind it. :sparkle:
Is this the beginning of a new game where we have to add to it to create the lyrics to a song?
Wallow wallow
When I cry...
Who wants to add a part? Who knows maybe we will write a massive hit. :cool:
Sounds great.
Wallow wallow...
When I cry my heart is sour,
...
Wallow wallow...
When I cry my heart is sour,
My heart is heavy ...
When I cry my heart is sour,
My heart is heavy ...
But I know that I have got internal power...
People are funny: when I managed massage therapists at the Doctors office: both men and women were okay with a female therapist but trying to get either to have a male therapist was a struggle. Our male therapist worked for us for just over a week before I had to let him go because I was getting complaints about his breathing on the patients as he was working on them. Creep factor was the reason patients gave.
Can Uncle Joe rise above this?
Wallow wallow
My heart is sweet and sour
Bitter Crank has the power
Sir2U is a real howler
His feud with S is like cancer
Wallows is full of anger
Unenlightened is like a fuse
With God's help we'll all be amused.
And I don't howl and I ain't got no feud neither with no one.
Ya'll stop talking that kind shit right now, yer hear me. :smirk:
To the males in here: what would you do if Joe came up behind you, holds your shoulders and moves closer, smelling your hair as he does....
Feeling supported?
Or would Joe be out cold on the ground?
Let's hear it! What do you guys think?
Any ideas of where on the nets his words might be cached would be appreciated.
Thanks!
Art Deco courtroom pew.
Are you sure you are in the right place? How can there be a true separation of church and state if there are pews in the Court House? Do you get a better ruling if you get down on your knees before the Judge?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
A conversation I had just now by private message. :lol:
That member, if it is who I think it is, has been banned. Anyone else gets this sort of stuff again, let us know. Cheers.
It did seem like déjà vu. Like I'd made that exact joke before. Maybe he had made a previous attempt. Or maybe it was fate! It's surely a sign of God! Once I was blind, but now I can se-- anyway, I'mma a go grab a bite to eat, you want anything?
Some Irn-Bru and a deep fried Mars Bar. :up:
Trying to keep @S on the straight and narrow.
Goo luck wi that, mi wee laddie!
Ayy, but he'll be needen more tha luck furr it.
Baden, take a big whip or a shotgun.
Can we stop banning him?
No, evangelism is against the rules.
:100:
My two cents: Slow down a bit on the OPs. Imagine you're giving yourself a mark out of 10 for each one. If you can't give yourself at least an 8, work on it until you can or move on to something else.
Yeah, I have littered the front page somewhat. Though, can you give me a generic template to work on for example? I work best by copying what has been already perfected.
Just look at a @StreetlightX or @fdrake OP. (Plenty of other good OP starters around but those two immediately spring to mind).
:up: I rather like the greater majority of the many threads you start. You engage with everyone who responds, even when their post appears blunt or rude, without seemingly trying to “win” the discussion. And the topics are usually interesting and apparently meaningful to you, which helps them avoid being overly dry and theoretical. Just because a particular thread disappears with few responses doesn’t necessarily make it a failure or poor idea.
IMHO, very generally speaking more than a few of the threads with many responses on this wonderful forum are borderline train-wrecks of squabbling, posturing, and one-liner one-upsmanship. But perhaps they make one appreciate the thoughtful comments even more. (Sometimes I wonder if it would help to have each discussion split into two parallel columns: the main discussion, and then the side commentary, jokes, and personal asides. In other words, the discussion on one side, and the doodles in the margins on the other. Off-topic comments (which are often interesting to some, perhaps distracting to others) would be sidelined rather than stumbled over or deleted. Probably not feasible with the forum software, just a marginal idea.)
So, to paraphrase Pink Floyd, post on you crazy diamond! :sparkle:
Come and join us in the On Psychologizing thread. I think you may like it.
Cool, thanks. Will do. :up:
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2019/apr/10/roger-scruton-calls-for-dismissal-islamophobiad-soros-remarks?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1pB11J91iRFN1Sk3C8AsCw2h0eLXmVAfxpQC9Y_1GbjnSMMvCnG1dd61o#Echobox=1554906736
Hated his book "Modern Philosophy" and its unashamedly anti-philosophical political bias.
I like several of Roger Scruton's books, and his treatment is a disgrace. His knowledge and appreciation of Islam are profound, and the idea that Islamophobia is an invented propaganda word is a legitimate one. I don't see anything wrong with what he said in that recent interview, nor have I read anything anti-Semitic, anti-Islamic, racist or xenophobic in the books and articles of his I've read, most of which are deeply humane and thoughtful.
I shouldn't have to say any of that here, on a philosophy forum. This is a witless attack on free speech, and the eager acceptance of such attacks by liberals and intellectuals, including here on TPF, makes me despair. And obviously, Scruton is not a fascist.
It seems that this has happened following an interview and article by George Eaton published in the New Statesman. To see just how reliable the writer of this article might be, here are Scruton's original words about Hungary, which he defended in the interview, and which are being presented as evidence of anti-semitism:
[quote=Scruton]Many of the Budapest intelligentsia are Jewish, and form part of the extensive networks around the Soros Empire. People in these networks include many who are rightly suspicious of nationalism, regard nationalism as the major cause of the tragedy of Central Europe in the 20th century, and do not distinguish nationalism from the kind of national loyalty that I have defended in this talk. Moreover, as the world knows, indigenous anti-Semitism still plays a part in Hungarian society and politics, and presents an obstacle to the emergence of a shared national loyalty among ethnic Hungarians and Jews.[/quote]
https://www.roger-scruton.com/articles/276-the-need-for-nations
To present this as anti-semitic is simply dishonest. The more you look at George Eaton's behaviour around this, his articles and Tweets, the more plain it is that this deputy editor of the New Statesman (!) has been part of a smear campaign.
To balance the Guardian and Statesman, here's another take on the affair (which by the way also reveals the shocking truth about what Scruton thinks of Chinese people):
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/04/roger-scrutons-sacking-exposes-the-tories-cowardice/
TRIGGER WARNING: not only does that link take you to the Spectator :gasp:, but the article is written by Douglas Murray :scream:
Quoting unenlightened
[quote=Scruton]Although Freud’s attempt at explaining homophobia might be held to justify the use of that term to describe at least some of the negative views that some people hold about homosexuality, this is no excuse for inventing ‘Islamophobia’ as an explanation of the negative views that many people hold about Islam. The invention of this term by activists of the Muslim Brotherhood is a rhetorical trick, though it seems that my habit of pointing this out is a further proof that I am guilty. Are we then to suppose that people are repelled by Islam because of the unconscious desire to embrace it, this repulsion being part of an elaborate defence mechanism? Or could it be that murder, genocide, rape and enslavement carried out in the name of Islam have made people somewhat suspicious of the faith? My own view, expounded in The West and the Rest and elsewhere, is that the only phobia involved here is the natural revulsion against those horrible crimes, and has nothing to do with Islam, which is abused by those who commit the crimes and not by those who are repelled by them. However, I am sure that there are out-of-context sentences to be extracted here that will be useful in pinning on to me an accusation that admits no presumption of innocence, there being, as with all nonsense accusations, no gap between accusation and guilt.[/quote]
https://www.rogerscruton.com/articles/556-sin-bin
It's not typical of his books but I like it. I didn't notice anything anti-philosophical, unless you mean his anti-continental bias, which is actually mild compared with other Anglo philosophers.
In the preface/introduction of the edition I read, he says, fairly directly as far as I remember, that if you don't share his politics and you appreciate recent continental philosophy, you'll 'hate' his book. Irritating to discover you've wasted your money before even getting to the main text.
I didn't read the article and don't have time to now, so no comment on that as yet.
No it isn't. It is a completely untenable, racist lie.
As all the people I've read who make the claim, or who criticize the concept of Islamophobia, are not racist, and are even sometimes explicitly anti-racist, I certainly don't think it's a racist lie. Which is not to say that racists haven't said it too, obviously.
Defend your claim against the list of incidents reported by wiki, or admit it is untenable. When we can agree about that much, then we can talk about racism and antiracism.. Let's get the facts straight first.
I'll take the sensible middle ground between you two, and say that it's obviously wrong to say that it's an invented propaganda word, but it's not necessarily racist to think that to be the case. It could just be naive.
When am I ever wrong? (Don't answer that!). :lol:
Quoting jamalrob
True.
Probably cause it's located somewhere NW of Siberia!
Alas I predicted such movement would result in fewer shouts being made but I think that was the intent behind moving it off the main page if my memory serves me right.
~shrugs~
The people who do make it here are worth reading as this thread is my first stop with any free time I might come across in life :heart:
[i]Fabian Grabenhorst, Raymundo Báez-Mendoza, Wilfried Genest, Gustavo Deco, Wolfram Schultz
University of Cambridge via Cell
Apr 2019
[/i]
A holocaust survivor, so he knows whereof he speaks. If you haven't, read him. it will do you good.
Shh!
Shouted.
Your shouting has been shouted.
Right behind you. I literally just said.
Don't lie. You were standing right behind him this whole time. You've been there for weeks.
I should know. I've been standing right behind you for even longer. I think it has been a couple of years now.
If anyone spoils Game of Thrones for me I will ban them with extreme prejudice.
That is all.
looks like I won. :cool:
Woo hoo!!!!! I didn't know it could be done!
Just remember
@Baden might have ways of setteling the score. :chin:
Just keep your eyes open :eyes: as Baden is often standing behind @S who is standing behind @Michael !
:eyes: :naughty:
I'll send you one of my all time favorite bumper stickers.
"Don't follow me, I'm lost"
Just one question though, how does it feel to have all of those guys looking at your backside?
Does anyone know where?
Dang.
I think that would be option "A". I doubt that too many of those guys are actually interested in your back. :wink:
One step closer to immortality. :party:
Because pigs are nice and clean. What more do you want from a pig?
I had the same reaction to that article. Can't wait to be a brain in a vat! (I'm not even kidding.)
Peterson v Zizek
Here's the link
Hope no new sad tales or things?
I suspect they suffered from an unfortunate level of agreement.
I should have known from the get-go how it would play out (but I wasn't really familiar with Zizek). Peterson is no economist, and no political scientist. That he has managed to travel so far around the block with his knowledge in clinical psychology is really quite surprising. Peterson uses highfalutin metaphors that are meant to yield therapeutic/psychological gains (example, his framing of "Neo-marxist thought as unproductive is a broad simplification). When confronted with a sophisticated "Marxist", his attacks no longer persuasively apply (and likewise, as peterson's ideas are at heart built around mental health rather than capitalism, most of the rebukes we would normally see also just don't apply).
It may not have been a productive or heated debate, but the influence these figures have on contemporary cultural developments (especially among the "rebellious intellectual youth") cannot be underestimated. A bit of light tracking on these types of people goes a long way toward yielding insight about present and future political culture.
(Take it from me, I knew that "cuck" would find new popularity several years in advance!! Such knowledge is invaluable!!! :monkey: )
I used to listen to Zizek a lot but he does tend to repeat stuff to the point where you feel diminishing returns setting inexorably in. Much less so with his books. Peterson, I went though a period a while back following fairly closely, but he seems to have ceased to have anything very interesting or original to say since he's been focusing on politics (if I want to hear about the evils of SJWs, PC, and Cultural Marxism, I'll tune into Hannity). But, yeah, the influence is definitely there with both.
I feel like this describes Peterson perfectly as well. And yet, for better or worse they have become influential [s]thought leaders[/s] trend setters, especially for students and activists (the most visible demographic). At this point Peterson's power is a kind of cult of personality that emerges from his sheer popularity. Since he disavowed the alt-right he has been striking a lower and more respectable profile, but his celebrity isn't going anywhere. He was definitely misunderstood or misappropriated at first, but he seems to have established a niche/
It ain't pretty, but it's us.
Isn't it astounding?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/20/jordan-peterson-slavoj-zizek-happiness-capitalism-marxism
Here is the secret to happiness.
Juvenile humans have no consideration for themselves or others; they shit themselves and don't clean up.
The options for mature adults are: -
1, Clean up after them.
2. Get rid of them.
3. Live in shit.
Option 1 is the best.
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1. You were not prohibited from starting new threads. You voluntarily chose to stop.
2. I deleted here what was previously deleted. Reposting previously moderated material will lead to a ban.
I don't know how I the first time around. But, there will be no second.
If you do that again, any one of us will ban you at this point. You need to take on the same level of responsibility every other member does.
I may be dumb and stupid but it ain't happening again. The: aaaammmmiiittthhh sssspppeeeaaakkkiinnnggg guuuud shit is off the table.
:up:
So I ask it here. Is there a recommend time limit before creating a new thread. Should there be a thread cool down time? I know it isn’t wise to make a bunch of threads in a short amount of time. Can someone give me a time limit? Once a week? Once a month? Once a year? Never? (Probably not once every day.)
There's no hard and fast rule. And you'll be asked to slow down if it becomes an issue. But off the top of my head, I can't imagine why anyone would need to create more than one discussion a week.
Less than once a week it is. I'll make that a commitment.
Day 1. Think.
Day 2. Post thread of polished pearls.
Day 3. Reply to comments or add an elucidation as necessary.
Day 4. Watch your pearls sink down the front page in a sea of mediocrity. Think on.
Day 5. Start a new thread on the merits of stoicism.
Day 1. Overthink.
Day 2. Post a thread just to show off your amazing logical and literary skills.
Day 3. Ignore comments because they're too stupid to understand anything you write.
Day 4. Complain about your thread being deleted, and annoy all the moderators.
Day 5. Start a new discussion about the same topic.
Day 6. Get banned.
Day 7. Remember the sabbath, to keep it holy.
A really good thread is one that is sufficiently vague that two or more commentators can get into a long argument without either of them quite knowing what the thread is about or whether they are agreeing or disagreeing with the op. Add a controversial but vague one-liner whenever they start to flag. Funk and Scallywag claim that an infinite thread is perfectly possible with this method.
I'll keep that in mind if I ever want an infinite thread. Right now I'm content with making threads long enough to witness Godwin's Law.
I once heard a tale about an over-thinker. I'm sure there was a moral to the story, but I'm not sure what it was. I'll give it some more thought. :chin:
I don't know about that. I've been trying to pen a book for some time now, but I've been suffering from writer's block.
The letter "S" is the furthest I've been able to get to.
Dunno, there be pirates about, arrgghh.
There's a precautions equilibrium that governs this place. Pay heed to thy elders I say, if one gives a shiet.
There needs to be a pretty good reason for zombeying months-old discussions. And if it looks like a bump by the OP starter, we'll probably close it as those are against the rules. Might sound a little harsh but it has become an issue in the past.
Honestly, it wasn't a bump.
I just read the alleged bump post and I have to agree with Wallows that it's a legitimate draft that could turn into an interesting and worthwhile topic.
Incidentally, I was reading about syncretism today and wondering about its potential for integrating polarized beliefs and ideologies in contemporary society, and coincidentally happened across Wallows draft topic and thought it might offer a good platform to draft a compelling topic starter to explore the subject, and maybe see if there were any interest.
Got the message, not welcome here anymore. Going to:
https://onlinephilosophyclub.com/forums/
Take care everyone.
Oh behave yourself.
Stop making new discussions for a few months, and get used to taking part in a different way. It will do you good.
I took the decision and I agree it's a debateable one. But one thing it was not intended to be was a signal to @Wallows that he's not welcome here.
Ok, I'm not even going to try and defend myself here. Your right, I'm wrong. Have it your way. I'll try my best and stop being the squeaking wheel here.
Isn't that the place started by one of the old PF crowd (Floyd I believe)?
He didn't like it when I called him Pink.
No idea. My philosophical beginning started around 2007-8 on PF. The only old folks there that really caught my attention was Gassendi1 whom I never got the chance to interact with, sadly.
:lol:
Don't know but this is what I saw after clicking on to the home page.
Who could resist that?
For example, I haven’t started a discussion in 2 years.
I noticed the other day that Terrapin Station, who’s been active on the forum for three years and has 8.5k posts, has never started a discussion.
You're right. I think this is my second or third sleepless night, and the fact of the matter is that all this poor intellectualization, some fantasy or grandeur too depending on your philosophical inclinations here, and escapism from reality is really taking a toll on my psyche. I might start a reading group on Mein Kamf soon the way things are going...
Just taking a step back from all this meta meta crap. Sorry guys and gals for running yall through the rungs of my psyche on blitz.
Maw has now been banned.
Where to? I NEED @Maw in my life! You have no idea how much I appreciate his contributions and adore him! :flower:
Now you are starting to "feel"! Go with that energy! Surround yourself with people who nurture that "feeling"! That feeling is what it means to be alive. You have the fire within you :fire:
But like a wood fire you must 'tend' to it :100:
He's been exiled back to the old PF. Which happens to be nowhere. So bye-bye Maw forever!
:fear:
@Michael Sleep with one eye open my friend :brow:
Aye, I slept a lot though. Sleeeep.
I can't; but, would be willing and unable to.
Quoting Wallows
How do you reconcile the two?
Philosophy and psychoceramics? Not sure.
Shush. You're banned. That means no talking.
Flowers and love to everyone. Bahahaha.
That's Capitalism baby
Hold my beer. Haha.
It's too addictive because everyone is engaging their defence mechanisms without hindrance. If you think about it, the mods just reinforce this.
They say that the best defence is a good offence, and we do like to ban posters willy-nilly - like @Maw - so I guess you’re onto something.
Disclosing confidential mod practices is a bannable offence (according to a rule I just made up). So, you're banned.
I read that as "bananable".
Lol, lunchtime? Though we could go that route... Who's got the banana?
people think that fascism arrives in fancy dress
worn by grotesques and monsters
as played out in endless re-runs of the Nazis.
Fascism arrives as your friend.
It will restore your honour,
make you feel proud,
protect your house,
give you a job,
clean up the neighbourhood,
remind you of how great you once were,
clear out the venal and the corrupt,
remove anything you feel is unlike you…
It doesn’t walk in saying,
“Our programme means militias, mass imprisonments, transportations, war and persecution.”
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Yes Maw!!!
So, if nominated will you run? AND if you are elected, will you serve?
:heart: :flower: :party:
There is a technique if you are willing to give it a try and see if it works.
In the medical field the Doctor I worked for had a simple red round sticker at the door to the lobby and one on the side of each treatment room but not by his office door. When we arrived at work you touch the red sticker and the problems, home stressses ect are checked at the door. Once in our office it was Chiropractor work and the struggles each department had BUT we touched that red sticker before entering a treatment room so we left even office struggles at the treatment room door. Leaving your current stress load at a designated spot so you can care for the priority at hand is for more than just a reminder to stay in the moment, that stress easily osmosing into others is real and rarely beneficial to anyone.
So my idea is when you leave your work, knowingly, deliberately hit that red circle, leaving the stress load at work when you can actually do something about the stress even if all that means is getting through another day.
Unless, UNLESS, your stressing outside of work is positively productive. If that is the case you deserve a raise and a promotion, which only you can know and only you can demand.
One last thought: when it's harder to suffer than change, we change. :flower:
Humph. Or wallow...
I thought you had a gripe with psychological explanations.
Kinky.
Yes, if they're exploited towards some end. I don't think there's a single user or even being amongst us that would be infallibly able to asses another persons psychological valence and use it to explain behavior.
Have we not met?
Not following you here...
Of course you are. You're all following me. You're my followers.
Oh, a Thanos has appeared. I'm actually watching a pretty decent CAM of Endgame as we speak. Got me some beer.
1345DAE079F8F496A64326EB0C2E6E351EA2C971
How the fuck does the Hulk keep his pants on?
No way it could be that simple. He goes from a 5' 8" skinny wimp to a 10' giant and his dress slacks don't rip wide open.
Where does his tailor live?
And yet we usually get criticised for having too many, especially on the mod team. I believe the reason there's less political discussion now than before, by the way, is actually because we have fewer actively posting right-wingers to provoke left-wingers into responding.
There's a joke about a bush in there somewhere but I can't find it...
Most of the regular posters who talk about politics here are decidedly left. We've got no traditional conservatives, and almost no one who can respond in any way to conservative ideas in anything but an autoimmune response.
Like, where are our fans of Nozick and Hayek? What about that old guy who really likes Burke? Where are the people that can actually defend interesting forms of conservatism philosophically? How else are we supposed to sharpen our wits instead of our tongues?
And why in the Hell aren't the leftists (self including) making interesting political threads to satisfy this desire? It doesn't stop every group with a bunch of leftists in it.
We're complacent posturers, mind turned belly.
Hayek ain't much discussed in undergraduate levels of education. At least it's only passingly mentioned his Road to Serfdom. That was my take back at UCSC.
But he's absolutely a central figure for popular conservative opinion.
There is a distinction that ought to be highlighted here between popular (populist?) conservativism and something like the offshoots of conservativism stemming from academia. This distinction doesn't exist as much as in liberalism, as the whole concept of liberalism is reactionary, unlike conservativism.
You don't learn this stuff in school, though, so not a meaty topic.
Actually, it's highly probable that Trump will just get elected again if Democrats stick to Russia made all this happen narrative.
Probably because it takes a lot of time and effort and we're too busy and/or lazy.
Sounds like a good idea though...
Aye. I was definitely hoping that someone else was up to the task. Which is selfish of me.
Please stop the self-flagellation or I'll have to flagellate you with annoying compliments. Anyway, on a jollier note, the Mark Fisher / Douglas Lain writing and podcast stuff is great.
But it hurts so good. I don't know of Mark Fisher, but Douglas Lain's definitely got a way with words.
Or...views of others are no longer being entertained as Aristotle taught us. "It is a mark of an educated mind to entertain the ideas of others without accepting them as your own".
That is no longer a possibility. It is times like these that I miss 180 and PB. The political climate is too focused on dismissing who is making the claim rather than the idea itself.
Yet we damn those in positions of power for doing something that we as a family of "thinkers" are incapable of doing ourselves.
Does that make us hypocritical?
Hmmmmmmmm.........
Humor this...
Mass influx of refugees from the desert to the cold north.
Civil wars of appointed rulers vs usurpers 'who have the best in mind', but are actually puppeteered by some Dominion.
A persecution of a certain faith.
Everybody's shouting... even on a public forum.
Meanwhile catastrophic changes that threaten the world and the prospect of a new age.
And so on.
Consider the Eye of Magnus and all the mysteriously vanishing free energy projects.
How from one Frodnar, we've come to a swarm of pranksters.
How some radical cult wants to blot out the sun and is terrorising cities.
How an all-seeing eye is behind some guy hypnotising people.
So on, and so on.
It makes me wonder, just who is Todd Howard?
Skyrim never gets old.
And apparently that might be because it's from the future?
I sure hope I never come across Skyguy.
For all I know, he might put a basket over my head and I wouldn't be able to do anything about it.
:brow:
The woman who asks a question is a fool for a minute, the woman who does not ask is a fool for life.
I'm glad I asked then!
Yes, try it sometime. To wallow is to appreciate.
*Continues wallowing*
These are like Chinese fortune cookies laced with some strong shit. Anyway, what you up to over in Oxnard? I got an appointment with my pdoc today at 3:30. I suppose I'll tell him about my disturbing lack of motivation that's been looming over my mother's mind.
Same old, same old.
I should probably see someone about my disturbing lack of motivation that's been looming in my wife's mind.
Yeah, same. Ehh. It is what it is.
Indeed. I should start a religion of fellow wallowers. I think it might become a fad.
Wallows and the Wall-Owls.
It shall be known as the Church of Wallows. Come join me in a happy wallow.
Ruin has come to our family. You remember our venerable house, opulent and imperial. Gazing proudly from its stoic perch above the moor. I lived all my years in that ancient, rumor shadowed manor. Fattened by decadence and luxury. And yet, I began to tire of conventional extravagance.
The Illiad?
Oh oh, I want to be Achilles! Can I, oh mysterious fellow?
You will arrive along the old road. It winds with a troubling, serpent-like suggestion through the corrupted countryside. Leading only, I fear, to ever more tenebrous places. There is a sickness in the ancient pitted cobbles of the old road and on its writhing path you will face viciousness, violence, and perhaps other damnably transcendent terrors. So steel yourself and remember: there can be no bravery without madness. The old road will take you to hell, but in that gaping abyss we will find our redemption.
I thought he just had some issues with anger...
Yeah, Patroclus age was never specified or so I recall, so we might as well assume it was pederasty on Achilles part.
Yeah, that concept was non existent back then.
Quoting frank
They sure did a lot of that back then.
No pierogi?
None. Nada. Nic.
*wallows to sleep and dreams about his cats*
Or bi. Achilles is a Mycenean character, though. That culture was gone when what we think of as Greeks came into existence.
Interestingly the Trojan war and the Hebrew book of Exodus are myths about events of the same time period.
In what sense?
What about the events themselves?
The myths are probably based on memories combined with storytelling for pure entertainment infused with norms and justifications for later social structures.
And stuff.
Yes, things are progressing smoothly.
I would like to dedicate my 1k comment to my mother, my husband, and everyone who's supported me in this long journey. I hope that my story can inspire generations to come and will contribute to making this a better world for all. *Wipes tear off face*
:party:
Harry called and said, no thanks, he's not interested in catching any Baden-cooties.
:lol: :point:
It's your fault my posts got deleted, btw. Your banter is just too funny to ignore.
It's their fault for providing me with so much material.
My cooties are certified fresh just like his movies. :starstruck:
But what's going through my mind is that I'm suicidal a lot of the time. I always have been. But I've done ok in spite of that. Maybe this is the reason I survived this long. To do this one thing.
Then you look back and see the unnerving beauty of it.
I'm channeling aliens. When you get to be my age, you'll get your own alien. Until then you'll have to be satisfied with saying regular hateful human stuff.
Your alien does have you in a dark place, mistaking play, and genuine admiration, for hate.
The thornbird comes to mind for some reason. It's a legend about a bird which sings just once in its life, more sweetly than any other creature on the face of the earth.
From the moment it leaves the nest it searches for a thorn tree, and does not rest until it has found one. Then, singing among the savage branches, it impales itself upon the longest, sharpest spine. And, dying, it rises above its own agony to out-carol the lark and the nightingale. One superlative song, existence the price. But the whole world stills to listen, and God in His heaven smiles. For the best is only bought at the cost of great pain… Or so says the legend.
Good times.
Feeling bad for the workers that fateful night, along with the fire crew that was being blasted with gamma radiation. Just goes to show that in the wrong hands, nuclear isn't all that safe. And, besides, the reactor design was inherently unstable, so bears mentioning also.
We do sort of throw ourselves into the knifes of life, don't we? That's why we go to war, hungry for experience.
From being misused as a noun when it never is one.
Sorry, here is a better rendering of my poor American:
Nuclear power, is pretty darn safe. Just look up the LCOE on nuclear power.
Cool. Just flashed Trumpian to me there for a sec and riled my inner grammar Nazi.
I'll be more vigilant about your inner grammar Nazi in the future.
Just don't confuse 'origins' with 'oranges' or I'll be forced to invade Poland.
Poland is a pretty boring place. Never understood what Hitler wanted out of that place. Then again the guy had some strange guilt trip when building concentration camps exclusively over there and none in Nazi Germany.
Well, yes. But, I wasn't aware of work camps falling under the classification of concentration camps. Perhaps I used the term too broadly and needed to specify what you mean by "dedicated" here.
Could be depression, yeah?
Yeah, I'd take depression over feelings of inferiority any day.
Topic worthy. Start a topic on the psychology of a depressive. I would know...
How so?
I see. So, depression is quite a predicament. How does one get out of it?
*Wallowing ensues*
... and wallow?
Well, if you turn upside down, then you are laying somewhere (in bed), and wallowing is the only appropriate response here. I classify wallowing as a healthy practice both for the soul and mind. Kidding aside, are you depressed? I don't think so...
But I'm always right side up?
Quoting Wallows
Within a sack of flesh.
Yes, you understand the way.
Quoting Shamshir
Wallows contently...
:party:
:party: :party:
Ooo, money! That's what up.
:cheer:
Finally someone calls bullshit on one of these political pundits, who's brand is built on divisiveness, claiming that that the US is too divided and needs to come together.
You can watch the trainwreck here...
[i]Leonardo Blair
Christian Post
May 2019[/i]
Systematic madness ? I guess "crazy" has always been on the mind-market
Solipsism...
"My answer is science."
:lol:
Such a fair hearing! :rofl:
God forbid someone, moslem or not, raises issues regarding islam. The liberal intelligentsia's not-so-liberal reflexes activate immediately to protect the liberal's not-so-liberal sacred cow. :lol:
Who's that sunknight guy? What says you usama? Would you have my thread deleted?
I don't know what you're talking about usama!
Quoting Mr Phil O'Sophy
A moslem giving lessons of open-mindedness to liberals. What a world we live in! :lol:
Or maybe liberals are 'liberal' and that's what they do? @jamalrob could help us find out what obtains. :rofl:
He is technically correct, “human life exists at conception.” I mean it’s not a giraffe embryo, and the mother is human. You could also say that human life exists at fucking. That could be confirmed by science. There’s gotta be some fucking studies!
Got buried.
You might try being a little more subtle the next time. Cheerio.
nvm, explained in the Bannings thread.
Does anyone know the answer to this?
I don't normally watch videos but I sat through every minute of that BBC Shapiro one. It was fabulous! I had to look up the interviewer Andew Neil to confirm that he really is right-wing and found that, yes, he is shockingly so! That Shapiro could believe he was a Leftist shows what sort of a self-spun fantasy land he inhabits.
Shapiro is a great talker and sounds genuine and convincing. An Um or Ah never escapes his lips. But when you see him confronted with someone that just puts forward facts, and ploughs doggedly on no matter how aggressive the responses are, you realise how much it's all just smoke and mirrors, masquerading as rationalism. The dummy spit at the end is priceless, as is Neil's closing line.
We need more journalists like Andrew Neil in the US.
:clap:
I was considering posting that too. For some reason talking heads like Shapiro feel they're owed an easy ride and can't handle difficult questions. Seen that happen a lot when they cross the pond.
Truly priceless.
Healthcare of wallowing you say? Well, I suppose I will die of a blood clot from laying in bed all day or a heart attack from the amount of smoking I've been doing as of late. Either that or cancer. So, I may be a "doctor"; but, I don't give advice due to being a blatant hypocrite.
But that's precisely why your advice is needed.
Then, I prescribe some healthy wallowing in the morning and before bed-time.
Wallows gracefully.
Such a great feeling.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/us/white-supremacy-terrorism-soh/index.html
A book... Wish I could even read those.
Brace yourself for Prime Minister Johnson.
*cluck*
Like they don't have enough rats to poison before giving them to the cats! Should be killing 2 birds with one stone the way the economy is.
Good times.
I saw that Australia hasn't had a real recession in 28 years. I'm not sure how that's possible.
But their biggest trading partner is China, China is struggling with the trade war, so it might be that Australia is on the verge of contraction due to one guy.
Thanks.
Now, I can't wait for HBO's Chernobyl miniseries airing tonight.
Mutated wolves and hobgoblins is what you will see. And some glow in the dark bats maybe.
Ehh, radiation, how does it work?
You think it’s gone? It’s never gone! (Like most cash cows and prize pigs). :razz:
:cheer:
It was rubbish.
Quoting Mr Phil O'Sophy
They changed it up slightly in the latest season and it's really good.
Quoting Wallows
I've recently started watching Doom Patrol. Bizarre and awesome.
[hide="Reveal"]The bastard who isn't really a bastard but is actually the true heir to the throne kills his lover the dragon queen who is also his aunt; the dwarf who committed treason against the now-dead dragon queen is put to trial but gets out of it by basically appointing a new king who promptly makes him his second-in-command; this new king being a cripple, the half-brother of the true heir to the throne, and also sort of a tree person with clairvoyant and animal-controlling powers.
So like I said above, rubbish. I would have much preferred it if the ancient ice demon who had been built up for 7 seasons as the true enemy just killed everyone instead of being defeated so easily in episode 3.[/hide]
Shudder. Thanks.
Gluck.
Although it goes against everything I stand for, I'll do it, only because I'm fully committed to doing everything you suggest.
No idea, but if you watch a few old movies you might get a better idea. They always blame mutations, walking tomatoes, 50' women and big husky men on radiation of some kind.
Yes, the end is near.
I believe you brother, woe is us.
I suggest that you don't do what I suggest.
I'm now caught up in an endless circle. I don't know what to do now.
Watch Westworld.
How many hours is this going to take me? Maybe I'll watch it at 1.5 speed.
Voting is like praying. It supposedly makes you feel good, you're bad if you don't do it, and no one is really sure it does anything.
There's also the issue of progressing from socialism to communism. It might be the case that we get stuck on socialism and never make the final leap to communism.
Yes, but right now we're limited to wishing and waiting for that dream to become a reality, as we sit back from afar watching the already realized communist Utopias of Cuba, North Korea, and China living in perfect harmony.
They are carrying on. That's what they do when things suck.
Perhaps it is interesting to note, that the USSR was a socialist republic, much as North Korea and Cuba identify themselves as socialist republics. Goes to show that those people are realistic in some regards.
Mourning.
The future of Sterling. :cry:
Didn't make it to the end of that. Did the guy turn out to be a Nazi or?
Contra is the hero we don't deserve.
Can you even buy a coke with that?
Yes, I suppose you can adopt him or her. Might grow on you.
All we pigs do is wallow, poop, and eat. Not much fucking.
I still think Janus had a point in regards to definite descriptions attaining a surrogate status of a rigid designator for abstract "objects", like God or Santa Claus or the present king of France.
The relevance to rabbits here is tenuous at best.
Nah.
Heresy!
Might even get to be the philosopher of the month! :lol:
I watched the original in 1986. I don't like that the remake is a drama. I preferred it as a comedy.
Well, realism is on point.
Spoiler:
[hide="Reveal"]I'm on episode 4/5 and think that HBO did a great job at showing the heroism present in the Soviet Union at the time. The power plant workers, in the first episode, Valery Legasov and Boris Schcherbina in the second episode, the coal plant workers in the third episode, and so on.[/hide]
My only gripe is with the dramatic element of "radioactivity" and the drama surrounding exposure to it. There's a WHO report about this issue that downplays the danger to people exposed to it at the time, along with the fact that these people must have been looked after the event by medical professionals.
Happy birthday. :party:
What stats are you going to increase? :chin:
Discuss.
Great lighting.
You overdid the HDR. Other than that, your photos are marginally not crap.
I'm available for lessons.
That'll be twenty bucks.
Rule no. 2: Don't go to Florida.
[hide]A cannabilistic troll.[/hide]
*wallows contently*
One of my main concerns is privacy. I was unable to find a privacy policy for this forum (I already posted about that over on the invasion of privacy thread here).
Another is that I'm wondering who I'm talking to when I post here. As a philosophy student, one of the things I'm looking for is the chance to bounce my arguments and ideas off established academic philosophers and get some feedback. I don't mean to suggest that these are the only people worth talking to, or even the only people I personally want to talk to. But it is something I'm looking for.
Finally, on a technical front, is there a way to get notified when a thread I am interested in is posted to? Other than just sorting through all the threads manually, I mean.
https://thephilosophyforum.com/page/terms-of-service
Hi Wallows,
I did find the TOS. It doesn't seem to contain anything about privacy. :sad:
What specifically are you concerned about? IP logging, private messages, or ownership of phil-material posted under your account?
There's no one specific thing I'm concerned about; it's the whole shebang. Although the one thing from the list you gave me that the TOS did seem to cover was intellectual property rights.
PS As I understand it, I grant the site's owners a whole host of rights to the material I post, but no more than that. I otherwise maintain ownership. Please correct me if you have a different understanding.
:lol:
Yes, he said it was "going fine". LMAO. Leo's like, eh, best correct the record here before it all gets a bit too Twilight Zone. Oh, good times...
*Wallows*
Christ.
Anyway, bedtime didn't work as planned, so time to wallow. Be back in 8 or so.
Counter-prediction:
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/4739/happy-videos/
Yes, he is my distant relative. We're in good standing as I tell him where is the best wallowing hole.
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/06/07/us/army-vet-dies-in-custody-organs-missing/
What's most disturbing to me about this is not necessarily what happened, which may have been nothing malicious (if you read the full article) but that Americans think it plausible that their police are murdering people and stealing their organs to cover it up. Smells like a sick environment.
Not my take on the issue. My POV is that there was a fundamental disregard for innocence until proven guilty, along with the inhumane treatment of the individual, along with an opaque lack of transparency. I mean, they did file an FOIA in regards to the incident, and still nothing. Makes Rodney King look like peanuts.
I mean, WTF. They had the audacity to perform an autopsy without consent and still don't know what killed him?
Quoting CNN
What is this, North Korea?
Oh, wait, after seven months they were told his organs were found:
Quoting CNN
Damm, right they are.
A guy goes into the police station to resolve what sounds to be a misdemeanor warrant and a few days later he comes out in pieces in a body bag. I'm not sure what the average American thinks happened, but maybe the next of kin should have been notified more quickly so that an aggrieved family wouldn't run to a lawyer to start making up crazy stories. My guess is there was some neglect of a drug induced inmate and they processed his death without really thinking about the fact they had a son and brother on the gurney as opposed to a piece of evidence.
On the eve of his wedding, a man falls into a pit full of corpses and becomes possessed by a Jewish woman who thinks it's her wedding. The situation is discussed by guests at the wedding, all of whom are drunk.
One for eating and the other for throwing at the screen. :cool:
Crusin’ & Coastin'[/i]
Boris is doing a Trump. All tax cuts and xenophobia. Unfortunately, that's what works these days.
Does anything short of open borders equate to xenophobia? It just seems like no one can advocate for immigration regulation without being accused of bigotry.
I'm personally pro-immigration controls and have never argued for or know anyone who has argued for open borders everywhere, so the answer to your question is stop defending the xenophobic orange man.
I'm not defending Trump. I'll concede his personal bigotry. Whether his immigration policies arise from a dark place or whether they're just to secure votes, who cares? How are the substance of his policies different from yours? I get you don't like the rhetoric, but if all he's doing in substance is regulating immigration, then he seems to have views consistent with yours. In fact, I can hardly tell the two of you apart.
I dunno, I probably wouldn't build a wall unless it was around your house.
Does it have a blue sign with the letters HMPS on it? :wink:
Mail order brides aren't people.
Want to go to Hawaii...
I got to come home from work cuz I freakin got hurt! BAHAHAHAHA More than one way to get the day off... :yum:
http://dailynous.com/2019/06/21/searle-found-violated-sexual-harassment-policies/
So, they wait until he's 86 before firing him. I may be one of the few around here who liked his philosophy but this stinks of a slow walk.
:worry:
Yeah, wish it was a joke too. So much shit flying in the air right now.
"Once, threatened by a mugger in Chicago, she told him that that was no way to treat a visitor. They soon fell into conversation and he accompanied her, admonishing her for being in such a dangerous neighbourhood."
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2001/jan/11/guardianobituaries.highereducation
This is true.
Bunch of rancid opportunists and sycophants.
Just came across this piece of gold. Worthy of a shout out but too easy to miss or pass by in the Shoutbox. If only muggers of any kind could be philosophical or savvy enough to listen and talk.
Too often the attack knives are out, no thought involved. This was refreshing but difficult to imagine.
It did remind me of Mary Beard taking on her online abusers and meeting up with one.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/aug/27/mary-beard-befriends-twitter-trolls-online-abuse
Didn't know much about Anscombe but this excellent obituary put that right. Quite a character. A friend of Wittgenstein. And more...
'...Wittgenstein famously said "philosophical problems arise when language goes on holiday", and spoke of trying to cure such problems by examining the way we use concepts. Anscombe applied a Wittgenstein-type analytic therapy to philosophy of mind. But her application was far more systematic and thoroughgoing than Wittgenstein's cryptic, suggestive hints, and was also distinctively her own.'
It would be interesting to find out more about her methods and writing on moral philosophy and philosophy of mind.
'Elizabeth Anscombe, who has died aged 81, was considered by some to be the greatest English philosopher of her generation. She was professor of philosophy at Cambridge from 1970 to 1986, having already, as a research fellow at Oxford in the 50s, helped change the course of moral philosophy.
Also influential in philosophy of mind, she pioneered contemporary action theory, and the pre-eminent philosopher Donald Davidson called her 1957 monograph Intention the best work on practical reasoning since Aristotle. The philosophical world owes her an enormous debt, too, for bringing Wittgenstein, probably the greatest philosopher of the 20th century, to public knowledge.'
Excellent find, thanks.
[i]Jay Staker
The Oxford Student
Apr 2019[/i]
Well I'll be ... :D
You'll be what? One of them maybe?
If you want to know about aliens, talk to Trump. He knows all about them. :smirk:
Hmm should I wake my sleeping young liberal home from college and inform him? Oh and "S, make sure you let the institutes of higher education know, they will need to adjust their fall classes.
... darned. :)
Evidence That Elon Musk Is an Alien (Alissa Walker, Jun 2019)
:D
Psychoceramics or satire?
And once again we walk on the same side of the street with that statement~ :heart:
I know we have talked about Ketamine and I am inching closer to considering trying the procedure. After 30 years of being merged from one antidepressant to another, currently on two a day, I would like to free myself of this managed depression. I don't think it's effective as it once was and frankly dear, I am sick and tired of being dependent on a flippin pill that doesn't really work.
I am at least at a stable level that I can work with but as you know, the highs are not as high to keep the lows from being too low. What a roller coaster my friend~ I am here for you, sitting right beside you~ :sparkle:
Try adding some lithium to your regimen. Of course that won't solve everything; but, lithium is well-known to boost the effectiveness of antidepressants.
What worked for me is coming to terms with my depression and not fighting it too much, hence my wallowing. I just wallow nowadays.
Look up lavender oil It's pretty cheap and effective.
Lavender Oil+lithium+antidepressant will balance you out pretty well.
Bit of both probably.
What is funny to think about is that if Musk had been born a couple of centuries ago he would have been burned at the stake for being a witch.
Hey Tiff,
I know you are into Cannabis products. And wanted you to know that CBD is a pretty potent antidepressant and anti-inflammatory drug. I recommend getting a tincture or edible for stable dosing and good absorption. I want to get a 1:1 or 1:8 THC:CBD tincture to help me with my own dealings with depression and ADHD. I also became an avid smoker as of late, so I need to ensure that I'm offsetting cancer concerns.
Yes, I think so. Depending on your route of choice, inhalation gets better bio availability; but, shorter half-life.
It's the first time I've been aware that it's been on. Is it being marketed more than it used to or have I just been blind?
Quick, set the DVR to record! There’s still time... :grin: Here at least (in midwestern USA) it has been fairly well hyped. Plus one of the US players pre-emptively declining a possible White House visit got some juicy headlines. (Not a week goes by without some teenager-like drama from the Commander-in-Tweet).
@Michael
Interesting study on smoking cannabis as opposed to smoking tobacco and not smoking at all.
As long as you don't have problems with your Gall Bladder or Liver, edibles seem to work out well, especially when it comes to accurate dosing and those with compromised breathing.
There are suppositories available as well as sublingual delivery systems for cannabis. It all depends on each person's need and desired effect.
Actually, independence was declared by a vote in Congress on 2nd July and most historians believe that the Declaration of Independence wasn't signed until 4th August, so your Independence Day is nothing but a lie.
Lol. I suppose next thing you'll be claiming baby Jesus wasn't born on Christmas Day.
I think it's been renamed TrumpEgo day anyhow, so pretty much any day will do.
Oh, no. The doses I mention are significantly lower than those for BPD. If you really care for my advice, smoke pot richer in CBD, something like 1:1 ratios. Bacopa Monnieri is pretty good for your mood and depression, and can help you focus on school-work as it's a touted nootropic. It helped me quite a bit. Lavender oil is another as I mentioned. Polygala Tenuifolia is a cheap Ayurveda herb touted in Chinese medicine to treat depression. Look into boosting BDNF levels. I can go on; but, all this stuff is pennies a day worth of total cost, so let me know if it helps.
So, if I am reading you right, what you are saying is that birthing a nation has an "active labor" time of approximately one month?
Grrrr... really? How much Kool Aid have you been drinking in my absence? :eyes:
Oh wait it was Tea :lol:
Your first post got me thinking of a Lithium deficiency as it plays a role in Thyroid issues as well. Thanks for the heads up :sparkle:
It actually was... :yikes: :joke:
You're absolutely adorable! :flower:
I’m saying that America sucks and Britain is objectively better in every measure including the awesomeness of its citizens.
Standing on solid ground my friend. Would it help if I tossed you a rope? :heart:
I still think we need to come up with a new, international, inter racial, gender neutral, non religious, completely culturally inclusive day that we can all celebrate together. Any ideas?
Breaking Bad Appreciation Day.
Arizona will soon have ocean front property :up:
Charles Surber and I have already taken care of it. Back in 1969, we established August 12 as Jagged Edges Day. Getting recognition has been slow-going, but I think it may be ready to break out.
:worry: Definitely not all inclusive. So no.
How about "Step in dog shit day"?
I am pretty sure most of us can relate to that. :smile:
Cool, then I might be able to paddle my canoe up there to visit.
Will we get a 8-9 one? Oh dear.
Aftershocks all day today where I'm at.
It is not nice not being able to move for what seems like forever.
My sister's in LA. Being Irish, she just presumed she was drunk when the quake hit.
Best of luck to her on the movie business, if I recall correctly.
Yes, that's her and thanks!
On days like that wallowing is in order.
Yes, that's what's ruining the world.