Yes, but you are making an ought - that there is a way to approach this using empirical observation (and the norm model) which are values which need t...
Then we are both screwed, Frank. I was hoping you might have done more reading/thinking than me on the matter and come sweeping in with some special c...
Kind of, but those guys don't generally do the actual mass killing themselves and invariably use or manufacture a narrative about purity and truth tha...
Humans are killer apes. :wink: If I had to guess, I'd say people had diverse reasons for doing vile things, mild and terrible, even within the one egr...
Sounds to me like you are a bit stuck. That's fine. I've been there. This site is full of good arguments (you have participated in some) for why moral...
He addresses the issues you raise about morality reasonably but without distinction. But he is not a philosopher and is more of a baroque polemicist. ...
Personally I have little interest in attempting to provide what should be expert views on subjects like physics, biology or neuroscience that require ...
Sure, but doesn't this mean that the starting point of your ethical proposal presupposes agreement on corporation which itself needs to be justified. ...
Indeed. Nicely phrased. These presuppositions are valued because they are good at a particular job relative to a framework - so is it argued that this...
You can't really shore up atheism. Scientism maybe. Atheism is simply that we don't accept the proposition god/s exist. An atheist might be a secular ...
What if they don't care about the benefits of cooperation but believe instead in the benefits of might is right and getting what they can through powe...
The challenge will be with what authority do we derive those moral principles? Just identifying the concept that underpin norms won’t appeal to those ...
Precisely. That's how I understand it. It is not intended to be read in concrete terms, eg., 'I like X therefore everyone must get X.' It's more, 'I l...
As I said - that's where the contest of ideas comes in. Which is already in place and morality (in the West) is an active part of public discourse and...
I've always thought along these lines. Moral norms are traffic lights that help guide the flow of human behaviour. Humans can't help but build systems...
Don't have one. I think ascribing purpose or meaning, reflects the general human propensity for sense making rather than whatever 'truth' might be. Th...
Lord Acton's quote is: I think it's safe to say that in some instances (especially politics) the fear of losing power is a powerful aphrodisiac for fr...
I can't see any merit in this idea. Humans make meaning and create values which don't exist outside of our value systems. We can choose to value or to...
Indeed. I guess idealists Like Kastrup would say that physicalism is itself a kind illusion and the universe is entirely mentation - material objects ...
That's clever. I find myself less engaged in this matter as the pages pile up. The options seem to be: 1) There is a hard question. Insert explanation...
I’m thinking it might be incorporated into the egg beating at least. But I’m not sure how ardent she might be. If her heavenly form has her looking an...
:up: Our 4 year old Doberman, Sammy, disappeared in the summer of '75. As I recall the meatloaf was especially stringy around that time.... I wonder i...
Thanks. I'll pass this info on to my mum when I meet her in heaven. She shouldn't be hard to find, she'll be rubbing herself against Gregory Peck or F...
I saw that too and I've never been to Texas. Actually @"Hanover" bread looked like my mum's meatloaf if it were shaped like a lacerated armadillo. She...
Interesting. Probably right. I sometimes wonder if there is intellectual pessimism and emotional pessimism. Personally I have usually taken pessimism ...
The green/brown cigarette packets here are hideous, so I think they are doing the job. Almost 20 years ago, I used to smoke 25 to 50 cigarettes a day ...
A bit intemperate of me to say that. Could you call Dawkins a smug cocksucker? Is the problem with 'cocksucker' or which public intellectual the term ...
Even if this were true how would it help today? :wink: Behavior is largely determined by situation - class, status, economic market systems, labour ma...
Can you give an example of normal today being far from nice? I would have thought it's a nicer world today in many places, except in some countries wh...
:up: Yep, we still can't get from 'reason is divine' to any particular divinity or even any particular malicious demon. I guess our primary source of ...
I'm not entirely sure I understand your reasoning. I don't think I have ever spent much time thinking about sexuality or the role of attractiveness, I...
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