Shawn

You almost caught me off guard there. I think, there's more to it than meets the eye... Ehem, Platonism? And if not, then why not? Yeah, that follows....

Nice. I wonder about your thoughts about the picture theory of meaning and this topic. Let's assume that a picture is worth a thousand words, bona fid...

Ehh, like what? It seems to me that the vast majority of the world decided to ignore it despite it cropping up in Tarski's, Turing's, and other work (...

Ehh, that's an artifact of assuming that monads (logical atomism?) are logically the simplest possible things. But, that's off-topic, I think?

Well, I'm not writing elaborate papers or such. My point seems to be distilled into this sort of sophism: I know. How? I don't know.

I thought I knew; but, was wrong? OK, then how does one begin to analyze that propositional statement?

But, that just talks about definitions. The bigger issue is that the concept can be entertained at all, don't you think?

Well, it has to do with the nature of knowledge stored in everyday living. Things happen in a certain way, and the cow might look black, and from far ...

Well, there are limitations to his proposal of treating everything as if in some manner already (false cause?) coherent and consistent with everything...

Of course, we can pick out fun and silly examples, as the above; but, I don't see how Gettier accounts for coherence in terms of material implication....

Yeah, and that's the issue. The material implication seems downright necessary here.

Please elaborate.

The normal response is quietism. I mean with the above logical preponderance, then what's the point of continuing research? Does it all boil down to p...

That's pretty deep. What does that say about philosophy, I wonder? So, you have gratuitous suffering and then the moral concept of pain or anxiety ari...

It's not an "as if" here. One can always expand Gödel's alphabet to account for more than previously hoped for. And this process, could, in theory, go...

I heard He has anger issues.

@"andrewk", care to take a look here, if I went wrong?

Yeah, not a very happy thought. Although, who knows what the big entity, up above, thinks about it too.

So, it seems you don't understand Gödel either. That's alright.

OK, let me connect the dots. If none of us can speak for God, and S/He exists as an abstraction since S/He remains silent, then is there anything more...

See the issue here, already?

I don't exactly know the why of bringing up Godel; but, suppose we have a theory that is such and such, it seems to me that as long as the theory is i...

I don't know what this really means. If I have no conception of pain, then whoopitty-do, does that mean that my struggles are inferior to another bein...

So, you're basically saying that suffering and pain has its own value? Relative to what, and why should anyone care about the relativity here?

Hi! Quite a lengthy post. I'm not sure where to begin. I suppose my point is the simplicity used to deny any notions that suffering is justified in re...

Well, it's a big decision for me at least. I don't travel much and don't like the whole idea of moving out and stuff. I'm quite unsure of the purpose ...

Happy for no reason.

I must admit, that after those 4 minutes and 31 seconds, that I felt quite anxious. You ask, anxious about what? Well, the very fact that I need this;...

A good life seems to me to be one where a person: 1. Minimizes his or her own suffering or sadness, along with other people. 2. Maximizes the good and...

Oh, dear! https://www.realtree.com/sites/default/files/styles/x_base_767/public/content/essays/realtree-8-myths-about-deer-fawns-bobgarvine-shuttersto...

That touched me. But, the fawn still burned alive. Why?

I understand.

What do you mean by that?

Being stubborn is alright for the right matter. :halo: Not sure, I'm quite satisfied with just a discussion, not to get my hopes too high.

Sounds interesting. I do like the Hotel Manager Theodicy point. Care to elaborate on it? Compared to the past, yes, we have come a long way. The senti...

Arguably, it's a brute fact of life!

What's the challenge?

So, what's the rationale of "gratuitous suffering", then?

No idea man. Well, I'm really concerned about the typical response to these questions. Being quietism, mysterium, and esoterics.

So, there's no point to it then? I mean, if we can call it as "gratuitous suffering", then the presupposition is that it was in excess to some rationa...

Tough luck? Is that the appropriate response? Or that the world is a nasty place? Is that what you meant?

A gross oversimplification possibly; but, the thread can be distilled into the sentiment, that if suffering is natural (in the sense that a burning fa...

Or I'll state this otherwise. If the fawn burning to death is considered a 'natural' death, then there's something to say about the world we reside in...

All I'm saying can be distilled into the ethos, 'But, why God'? The concept of God as all-loving doesn't really mesh with the concept of a fawn dying ...

Sorry, not getting your point here. Are you saying that suffering is just, just because God made it a reality? Kinda stupid if you ask me.

I don't really know everything, hence the topic. I seem to amiss with regard to notions about gratuitous pain and suffering. The burning of the fawn s...

OK, Frank. That seems fair. Apologies.

His intentions are irrelevant. They reveal themselves with the working of the world at hand. If what you're saying amounts to, "God works in mysteriou...

Wow, that takes quite the amount of determination. It must be a special place or something.

I don't see value in pain and suffering. This sort of ties back into one of my old threads, about the inherent worth of suffering, if there is any. I ...