Shawn

What's that? Sounds like material for a new topic.

Hmm, why is that?

Join my more realistic thread, if you want to. Haha.

Glad you liked it. I'll try and research some more about him. But, the main gist should be apparent more or less. Yeah, haha.

If you haven't lived in America already, then don't let false idols of it prevent you from coming here. At worst you can stay awhile and then decide C...

checks to see if the coast is clear *Continues wallowing*

I digress. Thanks for entertaining these musings of sorts.

Well, I'm saying that because you assume that the psychedelic experience will provide, in some cases, the needed shift in perception to fulfill whatev...

So sleepy. :groan:

Isn't that the Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy in a nutshell?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasser%27s_choice_theory That's the part left out of when talking about 'reality therapy'.

Perhaps.

I don't see how you can argue with that. Which has been pontificated and idealized on as far as I'm aware. Yes, but that doesn't entail the rejection ...

That's an awfully careless thing to say though. Nobody tells you that the experience can even be life threatening or even detrimental to your health i...

That's not the point. People who seek to resolve issues through psychadela need therapy and analysis instead of overwhelming and possibly frightening ...

How are you giant sea turtle, asks' piglet.

No, I'm trying to delineate when and which context are best to utilize said drugs from other contexts. So, for example, I'm feeling depressed and thin...

What a strange way to approach reality, don't you think?

Right, but what do you mean by 'some special contexts'? I feel as though many people wonder about that too. Well, yea, because the experience is inher...

OK, so we're talking about profound spiritual experiences. Are we at the limits of what language and reason can go about in formalizing and making sen...

@"Arne" All will be revealed in due time.

I think it goes both ways though. One sees these mind altering drugs as some cure or panacea for some issue, and the fantasy and wishful thinking begi...

I'm really glad you made it through those terrible ordeals, Tiff. Sounds horrible. But, progress has been made, yay! I'm in the same boat. No point in...

Then they are poor medical professional, at that. That's why I always would ask for a second or third opinion. Or not cynical enough? Yeah, it's the p...

I'm not too sure if it's a slippery slope argument or a no true Scotsman fallacy. Anyway, I'm gonna stop spamming this thread.

If you want to continue the casual conversation, I think you'd be interested in this thread: https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/3597/about-mind...

Yeah, that's a slippery slope there...

I don't know. I think so. It's just that there's too much hype around the idea. Set and setting I guess.

I try and be pragmatic. I value the highest 'base reality' or reality that is undistorted, clear, and lucid as much as possible. I also value the cons...

So, drugs we're just another 'fad' of the 60's, so to speak? Well, yes, the aberration of reality or perversion of it though psychoactive drugs is not...

True, though I don't know if it has actually changed is in any manner of form. Yes, being pragmatic, psychoactive substances have their use; but, the ...

The beatniks became hippies, the hippies became yippies, and then the yippies became staunch neoliberals or yuppies. What does that say about 'heighte...

I mean, highly addictive drugs like amphetamine, methylphenidate, and methamphetamine are available through prescription in the US; but, it's punishab...

Yeah, why is cannabis illegal or other Schedule I drugs in that category or status, at least here in the US?

So, I'm going to point out the elephant in the room and ask to you or anyone else, why has these ethnogenic rituals been outlawed by so many governmen...

I understand what you're saying; but, I don't like where this is going. If everything we do is to satisfy psychological and physiological needs, then ...

I'm not sure if anyone noticed; but, the real hidden gem about 'Reality Therapy' is that anyone can engage in it, without formal training, I think. It...

Well, we would hope that to be the case, yea? So, that can only be done through disagreement, yes? But, it's conducive to your motive of 'gauging accu...

Ah, a smiley face. Here's one too: =]

What do you mean by that?

What's that, enlighten me(?)

So, then he had an actual need, then that was never realized? I don't see how you can frame this issue then as a fantasy.

So, the process of taking drugs themselves has a attained or undergone ritualization, which is a sort of unrealistic idealization of their use? Hence,...

Again, solipsism.

So, you say that needs are fantasies; but, still use the word need when talking about needs. Is this some category error? A man dying in the desert ou...

So, if there's no consensus, then what are we talking about? I'm not sure if it's the same thing if we can't agree on what the nature of the real is. ...

As consensus building, which is desperately lacking in my view.

So, then what's all the disagreement and misunderstanding about in philosophy if we're talking about the same thing, the real?

But, I don't know what your fantasy looks like unless I contrast it with reality. And, needs aren't fantasies, puh-leeze.

Yeah, I guess then we ought to be more pragmatic about the issue then? Why haven't we already adopted this attitude? Yeah, I used to use cannabis for ...