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Or they become satisfied with what they have?

That's certainly a dilemma that one can face. I suppose I'd want to live forever. I can always choose to die if I wanted to; but, again that's futile....

More truth than mumbo-jumbo, or otherwise? I think it's sincerity. What do you mean?

If one adopts the Buddhist attitude, then suffering becomes something transformative. It makes suffering the primary goal of reduction. There becomes ...

Yes, this is the moral dilemma that the simulation hypothesis faces. It's a path that one can always take, but, would you be willing to forsake death,...

So, what are your thought's about Buddhism, and the cessation of suffering? Is it all mumbo-jumbo or is there some truth to all of it?

Yes, this sounds like something Wittgenstein would say. I agree. What is life without death? Just something? Not really.

Understood. I was unsure what you meant by that analogy. But, thanks for clarifying.

Hmm. You drive a hard bargain. I'm a fan of logotherapy and have read Viktor Frankl's, Man's Sear for Meaning. We always have the chance to choose our...

So, you're talking about death in general. One doesn't always have the opportunity to pick what circumstances they die under. Is that what you're talk...

Well, I can respect the desire for death in those who face gratuitous suffering. But, what is life without suffering? Again, where does one draw the l...

I just fail to see the merit to martyrdom with suicide. Sure, people get remembered for it; but, so what?

What would Wittgenstein say about suicide? I know he was plagued by such thoughts as he was developing and in his life too. I see the committing of su...

A memory dies. That's unacceptable. But, true, people commit suicide, and then the world keeps on turning. It's just such a futile act though.

True, I meant to just highlight the fact that egalitarianism commands otherwise.

What do you mean by that?

I don't think it's a matter of manliness as you portray it. After all, Stoicism appealed to women also.

Had Marcus Aurelius committed suicide, he would have been remembered as a proto-Jesus, above and beyond that of Socrates.

That's true to some degree. I mean how can one eliminate the subjectivity of suicide? The Stoics tried, to great success though.

Yes, the Stoics, would have advocated suicide in strict conditions. Such mandates were imposed to prevent the needless loss of life at your very own h...

The Stoics warranted suicide under strict conditions. Seneca must have welcomed the idea of suicide as salvation from a despotic ruler. As to delineat...

Cynicism would point out that 'profoundness' is a symptom of a mediocre life. I try and live my life as mediocre as possible though.

Don't you find the prospect of suicide, as a no win game? I mean, there's nothing to be gained at the end of the day, when one thinks too seriously ab...

I'm an advocate for philosophical quietism, despite my rampage of posts. I don't know what to think about 'profoundness'. It seems like lipstick on al...

I see you added this. I don't know what to think about suicide. If one believes in unrestrained individualism, then so be it?

Profound. I guess we're delving too deeply into the topic when things start sounding profound.

But, wasn't their loss tragic in some sense? I would hate to leave more pain behind than happiness and such.

It's easy. Think of it analogously to our current computer landscape or plane of existence. Given a sufficiently complex enough computer, that isn't l...

Indeed. That's true. But, after all, resistance is futile in the case of suicide.

I'm an avid fan of the simulation hypothesis. It seems as though each person exists on a plane of solitude and loneliness sometimes, maybe even solips...

Why not? If one commits oneself to the prospect of eternal bliss that is suicide, then they ought to think about it abstractly.

BTW, do you believe in the simulation hypothesis of reality?

If one takes one'self seriously enough, then it's not so unimaginable. But, still. It takes some guts to pull the trigger. Can one face the prospect o...

Suicide is always futile. It's an idealistic dream world. I'm surprised so many people find it comforting when the uncertainty of existence points the...

I think, suicide should be reserved as a last ditch effort at the cessation of pain and suffering. Such a decision is always vague by nature and uncer...

Yes, that's true. Resistance is futile, then?

Spot on though. I think that the purity of simple existence is more easily obtainable than the complexity of existence. Why don't we all become simple...

Oh dear. Not suicide. Such a decision is irreversible and morally wrong towards other people who care for you. Did I mention I'm a big Nel Noddings fa...

Indeed.

But, what about tackling this 'resistance' itself? Is that possible? Doesn't that mean the cessation of desiring and wanting itself? Isn't that the mo...

But, what about "resistance" which @"macrosoft" talked about? Surely, ecstasy and happiness are forever a goal but not directly obtainable.

This was so sad on so many levels. I can't help but feel sorry for the girl.

What do you mean?

Indeed. Overcoming resistance; but, what's this "resistance" you talk about?

It would be a peaceful existence, no?

What do you mean by that? Interesting, as all your posts...

Yet, can they be "obtained" like a pair of shoes in the flee market? Nope.

I like Cynicism because it bypasses the Stoic into pure simplicity. What do you think? I've become an avid Cynic as of late.

The Schopenhauer in me says that we never really get what we want. It's a constant illusory goal. To want something is to place it in the highest prio...

We live with a constant perceived deficit in life. Almost something to do or strive for. But, isn't that pointless? How much do we really need?