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I suppose so.

It's scary. Boo!

I don't see the point to death. So much is lost in that imposed feature of life. To live forever means that death can be overcome and the loss of life...

Wouldn't it be redundant to live again and go through the same process of learning and such? Which leads me to believe that it's a never ending proces...

Yeah; but, what if you could achieve life-perfection in one life? That would seem like the optimal solution.

What do you mean by that?

I suppose I'll also offer my views. I would want to live forever because death is an unknown. I have grown fond of life and value it. My life isn't to...

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Share some wisdom then. Please, and thanks.

What camp do you fall in? Sorry for pigeonholing here.

What are those?

Interesting. I think you are right to treat the atomic propositions with contempt. There's something to be said about arguing over trifle differences....

What do you mean by "coherent" and "consistent" here?

@"macrosoft", what are your further thoughts about atomic meaning? I believe they are important to discourse, and the trifle differences become appare...

The Tractatus was a good work. What are your thoughts about solipsism?

Interesting. What do you have to say about Wittgenstein's flawed approach in the Tractatus?

Dems are taking the house, yay!

Well, I have voted. Nothing much to say why if one was cognizant and not in a coma over the last two years.

I agree with most of what you have said. I don't think fact making is really a big issue then. Or how do facts obtain in reality?

But, according to the totality of things being facts, then all we have are symbols, models, and theories which we can devise about the world.

I don't know what to make out of that superficial distinctions you have made. Thoughts?

Then how do they work?

But, water is important to me regardless of however much I like or dislike it.

But, your input is highly valued. :)

Hmm, this is ambiguous. Don't you agree that because I have two hands (fortunately) that the external world exists?

Oh, understood. I meant to imply that want's are just out there hanging around, not doing anything useful with language.

Yeah, or the stuff we can all agree on that we stand upon.

Glad we're on the same page, then. I mean to assert that things are really just facts that we can agree on. There are also bedrock beliefs we can agre...

But, I have expressed holism by stating that the totality of the world are facts.

What do you mean by this?

Indeed. But, what's wrong with stating that the world is the totality of facts and not things? This seems elementary to me.

You mean preferences? I mean, there's a tale in the realm of economics that asserts that diamonds are more valuable than water; but, not at all times.

I also think a Rogerian agreement fits nicely into this discussion. Thoughts?

Are you a Tractarian by any chance? The world is the totality of facts not things. Therefore, we must analyze the state space we both inhabit. This ca...

So, can I objectively state that you are deprived of water? If that is so, here's a glass of water.

The world is the totality of facts not things. Comes to my mind.

And how does this relate to semantic holism that is an attitude? If I'm a philosophical pessimist, then what?

Hmm, one cannot be certain of wants; but, needs are apparent. What does that mean to you?

Oh, understood. I just meant to point out that we have shared needs, maybe not wants.

I mean to highlight that we both share needs and not wants. We can agree that I'm thirsty if I'm dying out of dehydration. Not so much about wants.

@"Banno", @"unenlightened", what do you chaps think?

Yes, but succinctly what's your point here?

I figure that @"macrosoft" would disagree here.

Well, I'm lost on what we disagree on here. We seem to be saying the same thing to some degree.

It is wrong and right at the same time. I have wants that haven't been actualized, and I have needs that most are taken care of. Most of my wants are ...

Cool. I agree for the most part. But, I suppose there are hinge propositions or a priori truth that we must deal with first, and guarantee the intersu...

It's an elementary feature of most ethical theories to delineate wants from needs. That we can't satisfy some or others is the cause of our disenfranc...

Cool. I thought so myself. I just have a gripe with our lack of agreement on what abstract concepts such as "justice", is.

Heh, I just fail to see the implications of describing needs as hinging on wants. Care to expand?

But, the topic here is that needs and wants are distinct. That one can hinge on another could be an important insight; but, so what?