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Have you voted, why or why not?

Shawn November 06, 2018 at 01:02 10525 views 68 comments
I'm wondering if people who inhabit this community have voted already. This is limited to the US mid-term elections.

Why or why not have you cast your vote?

Comments (68)

ArguingWAristotleTiff November 06, 2018 at 13:44 #225331
Reply to Posty McPostfaceBefore dawn, first in line to cast my ballot!
:up:
Jake November 06, 2018 at 13:56 #225338
Yup, done did the vote thang. I'm so grateful to our Tweeter-In-Chief because I no longer have to think when voting. Now I just go down the ballot and check anything with "DEM" after it. I could probably do that on LSD. Hey, maybe I will next time! :smile:

Vote for Jake and the Space Cowboy Party!!!
ArguingWAristotleTiff November 06, 2018 at 14:00 #225340
Quoting Jake
Space Cowboy Party


Who was it at PF that had an avatar of the SpaceCowboy?
Michael November 06, 2018 at 14:00 #225341
I didn't vote.
Michael November 06, 2018 at 14:01 #225342
Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
Who was it at PF that had an avatar of the SpaceCowboy?


@Postmodern Beatnik.
ArguingWAristotleTiff November 06, 2018 at 14:08 #225343
Reply to Michael Missing me some PB!! :sparkle:
Jake November 06, 2018 at 14:08 #225344
I'm pleased to be able to share the Space Cowboy Party theme song in two forms.

First, the live performance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwoiy-Fwm0E

Next, the cut from the album (tighter and groovier, but no video)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELcTJZLxhFU

This is what was on the radio around the time I started voting. A guy in our gang had a huge old 1940s era car, it was about a half mile from the front seat to back seat. :smile: We'd all pile in the car, smoke about a pound of weed, and then drive for hours down the beach (you can drive on the beach where I grew up) looking for girls.

So, this is the platform offered by the Space Cowboy Party. Good friends, classic cars, a 30 mile long beach, pounds of weed, and girls. Vote for me and I'll make it happen for you! Unless I get too stoned and forget. Or get the munchies and forget. Or get ______ and forget.

I told you 'bout living in the U.S. of A.
Don't you know that I'm a gangster of love
Let me tell you people that I found a new way
And I'm tired of all this talk about love
And the same old story with a new set of words
About the good and the bad and the poor
And the times keep on changin'
So I'm keepin' on top
Of every fat cat who walks through my door

I'm a space cowboy
Bet you weren't ready for that
I'm a space cowboy
I'm sure you know where it's at
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

I was born on this rock
And I've been travelin' through space
Since the moment I first realized
What all you fast talkin' cats would do if you could
You know, I'm ready for the final surprise
There ain't no way around it
Ain't nothing to say
That's gonna satisfy my soul deep inside
All the prayers and surveyors
Keep the whole place uptight
While it keeps on gettin' darker outside

I'm a space cowboy
Bet you weren't ready for that
I'm a space cowboy
I'm sure you know where it's at
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

I see the show downs, slow downs, lost and found, turn arounds
The boys in the military shirts
I keep my eyes on the prize, on the long fallen skies
And I don't let my friends get hurt
All you back room schemers, small trip dreamers
Better find something new to say
Cause you're the same old story
It's the same old crime
And you got some heavy dues to pay

I'm a space cowboy
Bet you weren't ready for that
I'm a space cowboy
I'm sure you know where it's at
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

ArguingWAristotleTiff November 06, 2018 at 14:26 #225346
Reply to Jake Got room for one more? :lol:
Jake November 06, 2018 at 14:52 #225347
Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
Got room for one more?


Well, I don't know about that. First you would have to prove that you are infected with the ridiculous stupidity of youth, because the Space Cowboy Platform Plan Thingy depends upon that.

But, if you can work yourself up in to a state (chemical enhancers allowed) where you think you REALLY ARE a space cowboy, then ok, jump on board. There are already about 17 people in the back seat, but I'm sure we can squeeze in one more.

Check out the lyrics to the song, pretty political really....



LD Saunders November 06, 2018 at 17:55 #225384
I voted early, because if I died before today, I wanted Trump and the Republicans to know that I was rejecting them after they turned the GOP into a racist, conspiracy-theory driven political party.
BC November 06, 2018 at 23:17 #225559
Alas, I am not voting. But vote blue, no matter who.

Hey, I have a great excuse: I'm having a colonoscopy tomorrow and today is prep day. Not straying more than 5 seconds from the bathroom. Certainly not going to stand in line hoping that lightning did not strike in the next 20 minutes (because if I was standing in line, that's when...)

Had I planned ahead, I could have voted early, but I had forgotten about today and the sturm and drang of total clearance.

On the plus side, Minnesota often has the highest rate of voting in the country, and I live in an area that is a Democratic Farm Labor stronghold, so the liberals will be taken care of.

One of the candidates for Attorney General is Keith Ellison, formerly in Congress then Democratic Chair for a while. He had a sort of sex scandal -- his girl friend is accusing him of kicking her out of his bed. She says she has a video of it. Who was the third party in the bedroom making the video, inquiring minds want to know. She doesn't want to turn the video over because it was private. Well, Madam, I should think you would consider the whole thing to be too private to bring up publicly. If somebody kicked me out of bed, I wouldn't shout it from the roof tops. Geez. Getting expelled from a bed is usually not a compliment.

We also have a Somali woman running for congress, DFL endorsed. She had some sort of financial irregularity which she dismissed with the kind of breezy logic that one expects from the practiced political operator.

I would vote blue no matter who but the roster of democratic candidates just isn't very satisfying. The candidates that are red can jolly well drop dead.
Nils Loc November 06, 2018 at 23:43 #225567
Voted for all democrats though it doesn't much matter in my state. Think a majority of incumbents are blue most of the time, probably what one would expect in the most ethnically diverse state in America. Democrats are probably the new conservatives though, since everything feels like it is shifting right.

Why did I vote?

Because if someone asks I won't be embarrassed that I shirked my civic duty, or whatever. Also I think compulsory voting is a good idea, so I'm practicing for that.
_db November 07, 2018 at 00:00 #225579
No, I didn't vote. My reasoning by analogy: if you are overweight and in a Burger King, and you are pondering whether you should get a single pounder or a double pounder cheeseburger, the best choice is to just leave Burger King and get something more healthy.

Voting legitimizes power structures.
praxis November 07, 2018 at 00:33 #225590
I voted to delegitimize the Republican Party (in its current state anyway), though I don't think it'll matter much were I live.
Shawn November 07, 2018 at 03:13 #225606
Well, I have voted. Nothing much to say why if one was cognizant and not in a coma over the last two years.
Shawn November 07, 2018 at 04:32 #225612
Dems are taking the house, yay!
BC November 07, 2018 at 04:44 #225613
One thing I noticed in the returns is that in various states 3rd party candidates have drawn more votes than usual. It is probably the case that some of the third party people are awful, but I do like to see 4% -10% showing up for alternative candidates just because it suggests that people might consider an alternative to Tweedledee and Tweedledum.
ArguingWAristotleTiff November 07, 2018 at 12:19 #225657
@Bitter Crank I wish you well on your procedure today. Make sure you demand a good amount of Twilight sleep! I wish I could be near you to care for you this afternoon~ :flower:
Jake November 07, 2018 at 12:34 #225660
Quoting Posty McPostface
Dems are taking the house, yay!


Thanks for breaking that news, I was surely wondering. Well, the next two years will now make WWII look like a skirmish.
BC November 07, 2018 at 13:07 #225663
Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiff Thank you! I've had one before, so it won't be a complete surprise. The worst part right now is drinking 2 more quarts of salty slop.

There's snow on the ground this morning, 31º. The weather ball is green so frigid lows are foreseen. A low of 15 for Saturday. Brrr.

Have a good day. :flower:
Jake November 07, 2018 at 14:18 #225680
Bitter Crank is the only true liberal on the forum as he is celebrating election day by blowing the Tweeter-In-Chief out his butt.

And by the way Mr. Crank, stop bragging about your glorious fall weather. 85 here today, and I don't mind telling you I'm about sick of it, as it's been like that since last February. But I'm trying to remain hopeful, as our nine days of winter will surely arrive sooner or later.
Terrapin Station November 07, 2018 at 14:19 #225681
Voted for Green and Libertarian candidates . . . which is usually what I do. I consider myself a "libertarian socialist," though my views are very idiosyncratic. At any rate, Greens and Libertarians are closer to aspects of my views than other parties. I can't really stand either Democrats or Republicans. I hate that we have a practical situation where it's only Democrats or Republicans who are viable candidates for any major office.
Jake November 07, 2018 at 14:29 #225687
Quoting Terrapin Station
I hate that we have a practical situation where it's only Democrats or Republicans who are viable candidates for any major office.


Such sentiments are perhaps at least part of how Trump got elected. Many people are looking for something other than the status quo, and Trump isn't really either a Dem or Repub at heart. Now that the mid-term is behind us perhaps he'll finally get serious and launch the Narcissist Party. :smile:
Terrapin Station November 07, 2018 at 14:35 #225688
Quoting Jake
Such sentiments are perhaps at least part of how Trump got elected.


Well, and people say things like that as if there's a belief that I would have preferred to have Hillary in office. But I wouldn't. I honestly can't stand either Democrats or Republicans. I don't like Trump, either, but he's not been any worse in my opinion than any of 'em. Every president in my lifetime has been useless in my view.

My political views are way, way out in left field.
Jake November 07, 2018 at 17:29 #225730
Quoting Terrapin Station
I don't like Trump, either, but he's not been any worse in my opinion than any of 'em. Every president in my lifetime has been useless in my view.


I'm not arguing with this, just saying that many people appear to share your view, and in their frustration have turned to options outside the usual routine. Bernie Sanders was also an example of this to some degree. Who knew a grouchy old socialist would take the Democratic Party by storm?

DiegoT November 07, 2018 at 17:38 #225733
Reply to Jake I´m from Spain, and I find difficult to grasp why people can be so sure they are in the rational waggon. To me, both Republicans and Democrats are very much affected by irrational ideas and discourses. They magnify like a lense the decandence of the country. I´m not saying Spain is doing any better, or the rest of Europe; I just can´t understand how people can see their own leanings as the most sane. You vote Dem then, don´t you think they are tribalistic, obsessed with race, and unable to deal with reality?
Michael November 07, 2018 at 17:56 #225736
Quoting Bitter Crank
The candidates that are red can jolly well drop dead.


One did. He still won.
Michael November 07, 2018 at 18:01 #225738
Quoting DiegoT
unable to deal with reality?


I think that better describes the Republican Party. Anti-climate change, trickle-down economics, bearded guy in the sky who demands that gays be oppressed...
praxis November 07, 2018 at 18:04 #225740
Who knew a grouchy old socialist would take the Democratic Party by storm?


A democratic socialist.
ArguingWAristotleTiff November 07, 2018 at 21:56 #225768
Quoting Michael
One did. He still won.


:rofl: Only You as a non-American would know that! To add a little absurdity to it, Exiled Sheriff Joe Arpaio shared the same stage with him the night before he died. :eyes: :rofl:
ArguingWAristotleTiff November 07, 2018 at 22:02 #225772
Quoting Bitter Crank
Thank you! I've had one before, so it won't be a complete surprise. The worst part right now is drinking 2 more quarts of salty slop.

Never 2 quarts but I have had my share of salty slop. :razz:

Quoting Bitter Crank
There's snow on the ground this morning, 31º. The weather ball is green so frigid lows are foreseen. A low of 15 for Saturday. Brrr.

Okay now your making me jealous! It is another cloudless sky, 78* and perfect weather that I am absolutely done with! :angry:
I am so wanting the soft, quite sound of snow falling. It makes the world look virginal of all mans' victories and defeats against Mother Earth. :halo:

Quoting Bitter Crank
Have a good day. :flower:

Awwww I would still like to come over and bring you a little dinner. You have got to be starving and I promise, nothing salty, only sweet. :flower: :flower: :flower:

BC November 08, 2018 at 00:57 #225815
Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
Twilight sleep


What I got was some benzodiazapine and fentanyl -- the stuff that everybody is overdosing on and dropping dead from. It worked great--I was awake to watch the show. Now, afterwards the nurse told me she had to tell me to keep breathing several times but I have no memory of that. There were a couple of moments that were painful, but not terrible and very short -- when they turned the head of the scope backwards to view the asshole from the inside out.

The results were zero polyps, zero cancers, all good.

I was starving: a can of soup, a piece of cold chicken, some toast, cheese, a sweet potato with fresh apple sauce and cranberries (now in season).
praxis November 08, 2018 at 02:43 #225820
Quoting Bitter Crank
The results were zero polyps, zero cancers, all good.


Congrats. You might want to consider consuming probiotics of some kind to help along the microbial recolonization of your gut tract.
BC November 08, 2018 at 04:25 #225827
Reply to praxis I might, but what product actually delivers what it claims to deliver? (I guess yoghurt is fairly reliable, but that's only 4 or 5 species of bacteria out of... thousands.) Probiotics aren't regulated, so whether they contain what they claim, as much as they claim, or anything more than dust from the warehouse is anybody's guess.

There wasn't much of anything left in the large intestine, though I suppose the walls were coated with samples of bacteria that were there before. The appendix is also supposed to keep a sampling of microbes on tap. But this didn't, after all, involve antibiotics. The furthest extent of the colonoscopy tube is where the small intestine joins the large intestine; one could see some of the cilia-structures; it looks quite a bit different than the colon. One could also see the opening into (or out of) the appendix, if ever the appendix decided to open up.

Since the microbiome is so important in our function, I'd like to get the mix that produces intellectual brilliance, creative genius, sunny equanimity, physical prowess, and a robust immune system. The varieties that I had before produced nothing but bullshit.
praxis November 08, 2018 at 04:44 #225828
Well, I’ve been trying varieties like yogurt, kombucha, and kimchi lately. Enjoyable regardless of any microbial benefits. But yeah, I must have been thinking of antibiotical recovery rather than a simple cleanse.
DiegoT November 08, 2018 at 09:08 #225836
It is obvious from outside that Republicans are (usually, not always) climate change negationists, to a great extend, becouse they perceive it as a Democrat thing, just one more lie from the Party they don´t trust. If Dem politicians REALLY wanted Republicans to care about the climate, they would make it an identity issue. They´d leave public climate reports to scientists (like Morgan Freeman, who´s not a scientist at all but many people probably think he is at this point) and make agreements with Republicans on this grave matter without using it as an electoral weapon or political banner.
DiegoT November 08, 2018 at 09:12 #225838
sorry, I meant Democrats should NOT make climate an identity issue. In Spain all parties agreed to stop talking about separatist terrorism in campaign and only make joined statements and policies on the issue, and terrorism was defeated and democracy became stronger. The socialist party, with Zapatero, broke this consensus and used terror in campaign to reach power; terrorist attacks are on the rise since then and the political armies of the separatist group are trying to consolidate a coup d´etat.
Michael November 08, 2018 at 10:07 #225844
Quoting DiegoT
It is obvious from outside that Republicans are (usually, not always) climate change negationists


I honestly don't know if they genuinely don't believe in it or if they do but care more about money and so lie about it.
DiegoT November 08, 2018 at 10:55 #225851
I´m afraid is the former. I wish all politicians and leaders were corrupt and clever, then we could solve problems much faster. But in reality, they usually believe in what they believe, as they live in their small reality bubbles, like the rest of us. What we find obvious and undeniable is really what is inside our bubble.
ArguingWAristotleTiff November 08, 2018 at 14:37 #225907
Quoting Bitter Crank
There were a couple of moments that were painful, but not terrible and very short -- when they turned the head of the scope backwards to view the asshole from the inside out.

Hmmm now that approaches the level of pain that a lady endures for the first 4 hours of a 12 hr labor. Thank goodness for modern medicine because I was at a level of 15, dying from pain when I asked for my Epidural and within minutes I was filing my nails watching my beloved Cubs lose yet another game. That flippin meter that I was dying at 15 hit 133 in my 11th hour and all I was supposed to feel was "pressure" but alas as the baby nears Oxygen they taper the Epidural down so the woman can "feel" to push. BULLSHIT! It's not "feel" it's flipping barbaric levels of pain. But enough about me... :scream:

Quoting Bitter Crank
The results were zero polyps, zero cancers, all good.

Woo Hooo that is AWESOME news!
Damn again to modern medicine. When my Mom was a Nurse just starting out was in the lab, doing smear screens under the microscope, looking for Cancer cells that took dayssssssssss….. peace of mind is such a necessary part of our overall health.

Quoting Bitter Crank
I was starving: a can of soup, a piece of cold chicken, some toast, cheese, a sweet potato with fresh apple sauce and cranberries (now in season).

Mmmm sounds good then again ANYTHING would sound good!

ArguingWAristotleTiff November 08, 2018 at 14:39 #225910
Quoting praxis
kombucha,


Everyday, first thing I consume and it removes any sugar craving I might have had. Lots of energy and a healthy stomach...it really is the fountain of youth, in a bottle, for the same price of beer. :roll:
praxis November 08, 2018 at 16:07 #225933
Quoting DiegoT
I meant Democrats should NOT make climate an identity issue.


Unfortunately, Al Gore championing the issue seems to have made it one.
praxis November 08, 2018 at 16:09 #225936
LD Saunders November 08, 2018 at 18:06 #226031
I hate Trump so much, I wish I could have voted twice.
DiegoT November 08, 2018 at 18:59 #226058
Reply to praxis it was a wrong move, with the best intention. Hell would be a pitiful place without all those good intentions...
DiegoT November 08, 2018 at 19:13 #226065
Reply to LD Saunders why do people hate Trump in the U.S.? Is it becouse you are weary of him, after so many years in the spotlight and all those appearances in tv shows? What exactly is hateful in Trump. Trump is a curious surname; in English sounds like "wild card" or "winning card", in Spanish is similar to "trampa" that means trap.
BC November 08, 2018 at 21:00 #226087
Quoting DiegoT
why do people hate Trump in the U.S.?


Not everyone does hate Trump.

Those who are not fond of, dislike, loathe, or hate Donald Trump are responding to several features:

First, he has zero record in public service. He is an entrepreneur.
Second, as an entrepreneur (real estate) he has not been nearly as successful as he paints himself to be. Some of his projects appear to be manipulative bankruptcies. Many of his hotels are not actually his -- the Trump name is licensed.
Third, Much of Trump's wealth was inherited. This is not at all unusual -- a lot of rich people inherited their wealth. But Trump has presented his wealth as the work of his own genius.
Four, Trump's familiarity to the public is based on his abrasive celebrity shows.

Much of his career carries with it more than a little odor of dishonesty and flim flam.

Trump has made little effort to perform the role that politicians traditionally at least attempt: the statesman with gravitas. Trump eschewed any sign off gravitas (substance and dignity) from the getgo. While not being uneducated himself (presumably he learned something in college) he favors the impression of being anti-intellectual. Americans do not expect their presidents to be learned scholars, but they want them to respect learned scholars (because the president needs to get good information on which to make decisions). Trump seems to be in very short supply of good information about anything.

Trump is cynical; this is standard in politics, but he makes little effort to conceal cynicism the way most politicians do. His election strategy was to play to the lowest common denominator in crucial states. We don't like open cynicism.

Trump has little respect for the kind of role that most Americans expect the President to fulfill.

Trump didn't invent the right wing, white supremacists, racism, anxiety about poorly controlled immigration from Mexico and Central America, and so on but he has done nothing to allay mainstream fears about the right wing, photo-facists, crypto-fascists, authoritarians, and so on.

Barack Obama, George Bush II, William Clinton, George Bush I, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, Richard Nixon, Lyndon Johnson, J. F. Kennedy, Dwight Eisenhower, Harry Truman, F. D. Roosevelt, Herbert Hoover, Calvin Coolidge, Warren Harding, and Woodrow Wilson -- have all been problematic in various ways. Presidents, of course, are not perfect and it is a very difficult job. But most Presidents have more or less played the role that was expected of them. Most of them have been reasonably competent. Perhaps Trump is most like Warren Harding. Harding died in office, so maybe Trump will be kind enough to do the same. His Vice President can follow suite.

Trump has more forthrightly revealed what ruling class politics is really about -- protecting the ruling class and fucking over everyone else. He has pulled the curtain aside (think of the Wizard in Oz 'reveal' scene).

In summary, Donald Trump is an arrogant asshole.
Baden November 08, 2018 at 21:33 #226094
thatoneguy November 08, 2018 at 21:44 #226100
Quoting darthbarracuda
Voting legitimizes power structures.


Seems like a good reason to vote.
thatoneguy November 08, 2018 at 21:51 #226105
Reply to Michael Their own studies have shown their roll back on regulations will have a negative impact on climate change. They know and they don't care.
Michael November 08, 2018 at 21:58 #226106
Quoting DiegoT
Trump is a curious surname; in English sounds like "wild card" or "winning card"


It means "fart" in the UK.
Jake November 09, 2018 at 17:25 #226312
Quoting Michael
One did. He still won.


I know, I know, I heard that story on NPR. Hilarious! I felt so sorry for the Dem though, whooped by a dead man, how embarrassing!
Jake November 09, 2018 at 17:25 #226313
Quoting Michael
It means "fart" in the UK.


It means fart here now too.
Jake November 09, 2018 at 17:38 #226316
Reply to Bitter Crank While I agree with your even handed analysis of President Dumpster :smile: there is another side to the story, sorta.

Trump understands the media, and consumers of media, better than any politician in my lifetime. My theory is that this is due to

1) natural talent

2) living in NYC arguably the corporate media capital of the world

3) his business career

Trump gets that corporate media is not a public service, but a business whose function is to make money.

Trump gets that the business model for corporate media is to use drama to build audience and thus ad revenue.

Trump gets that consumers of media are more interested in being entertained by drama than they are in complex public policy issues.

Trump gets that super intelligent huge brained philosophers like us who claim that they are somehow different than other consumers of media are largely self delusional. :smile:

The proof of the above is of course that Trump beat every professional politician on all sides of aisle, and did what the media said for years he could never do, win the highest office on Earth.

Is Trump an asshole? Yes, of course. But he's also an intelligent REALIST, and that is his great power.

Politicians are a mirror image of the public they serve, and when we don't like what the mirror reveals, we yell at the mirror.

Except for us of course. :smile:



ArguingWAristotleTiff November 09, 2018 at 17:57 #226322
Mmmmmm it feels like another shady count in our state :chin:
BC November 09, 2018 at 19:40 #226348
As Lenin said, "Who votes is totally unimportant. What matters is who counts the votes."
BC November 09, 2018 at 19:42 #226349
Reply to Jake Yes. Good analysis.
praxis November 09, 2018 at 20:16 #226361
Reply to Jake

All you’re essentially saying is that he’s good at the manipulation of his base (not the sharpest tools in the shed). The evidence indicates that the motivation behind his tactics is at least primarily to gain power and wealth, rather than advance a more noble goal like human flourishing.

A leader with principles and unselfish goals wouldn’t be able to do what he does, that’s for sure.
Jake November 10, 2018 at 01:06 #226426
Quoting praxis
All you’re essentially saying is that he’s good at the manipulation of his base (not the sharpest tools in the shed).


All I'm saying is that he won, because he is the sharpest tool in the shed in some important respects.
praxis November 10, 2018 at 01:51 #226430
Reply to Jake

No, he’s simply willing to do what others with principles and less selfish goals are not. The almost half a billion dollars he inherited from his father also gave him an unusual advantage.
BC November 10, 2018 at 02:17 #226432
Quoting praxis
a billion dollars he inherited from his father also gave him an unusual advantage


It seems to me that the democrats had plenty of money to conduct the 2016 campaign. The spending was $1.4 billion by Democrats (Clinton) to the Republican's $957.6 million (Trump).

Another $4 billion was spent on congressional races in 2016. The Republicans have had an intelligent long-range plan to capture state houses and governorships in order to better control redistricting, which is where a party can guarantee safe districts for decades into the future.
BC November 10, 2018 at 02:29 #226433
Quoting praxis
rather than advance a more noble goal like human flourishing


I just don't think most presidents, congresses, governors, legislators, or mayors and city councils have been all that interested in the noble goal of human flourishing. OK, every now and then they might be seized by a fit of nobility, but after that wears off it's back to business as usual.

Most politicians are, by necessity, focused on their careers and the best interests of their political parties (venality, in other words). We expect accomplished politicians to resemble the Prince of Darkness; we just don't want them doing business out in the open where they upset women and children or frighten the horses.
BC November 10, 2018 at 02:32 #226434
Quoting Jake
sharpest tool


He's such a tool.
Terrapin Station November 10, 2018 at 11:53 #226479
Quoting DiegoT
why do people hate Trump in the U.S.?


For some of us who hate him, it's because he's an arrogant moron with a lot of views we strongly disagree with, where he's trying to bully those views into law, and where instead of concentrating on anything we feel would actually have a positive, practical affect on the citizenry's lives, he's concentrating merely on trolling via tweeting, hosting rallies, etc.
Terrapin Station November 10, 2018 at 11:55 #226480
Quoting Bitter Crank
Most politicians are, by necessity, focused on their careers and the best interests of their political parties (venality, in other words). We expect accomplished politicians to resemble the Prince of Darkness; we just don't want them doing business out in the open where they upset women and children or frighten the horses.


Yes. Which to me suggests that maybe we need to trash the way we've been doing things and try something else instead.
praxis November 10, 2018 at 16:35 #226525
Reply to Bitter Crank

What I was thinking at the time was that, for example, if Trump had only received one million from his father as he claimed, rather than the 413 million that research reveald, he may not have been in a position to run for office and win.
praxis November 10, 2018 at 18:00 #226528
Quoting Jake
All you’re essentially saying is that he’s good at the manipulation of his base (not the sharpest tools in the shed).
— praxis

All I'm saying is that he won, because he is the sharpest tool in the shed in some important respects.


I was thinking of something he said in a press conference the other day that demonstrates what a dull tool he is. When asked if he thought that adopting a nationalist identity shows support for white nationalists, he responded by saying that it was a “racist question”. That’s off key because it expresses a fundamentally liberal value of equality or individual rights. If he had time to think or be advised, a more ‘on brand’ response should have been some rhetoric about the nation not being treated fairly and taking care of our own, or something about the evils of globalists.
hks November 12, 2018 at 18:18 #226954
Reply to Posty McPostface I always vote early and by mail.

I voted only for GOP candidates for the U.S. Senate and only for DEM candidates for the House Of Reps.

I want divided government back. If Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell cannot agree on legislation then I do not want it to pass.

My wishes have been fulfilled. The Senate is still in control of the GOP and the House has been taken over by the DEMs.

What about you? Did you vote? Were your goals achieved during the midterms?