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You cited writers and philosophers before that I have read a long time ago but I'm not familiar with this. What is this "outdated term" based on?

But this raises the question; what rights exists without the State? Only moral rights. But moral rights will be ignored by most people if they can get...

LOL. Negotiations.

What do you mean with social power?

For taxation to be theft, there must be a right to pre-tax income. Legally, this is clearly not the case. A moral right to pre-tax can only be said to...

You do realise this is totally a-historical? Rights were and are granted by the state. Human rights are a civilised luxury, nothing fundamental about ...

The presumption is innocence is a legal fiction, it says exactly nothing about actual guilt or innocence.

So people who believe in unicorns and those who don't are two sides of the same coin? The available proof for unicorns and an Abrahamic God are more o...

Ah, a random idiot joins the discussions by misinterpreting my meaning. Get lost.

Perhaps it looks like that because you yourself have extreme views?

Depends on the democratic system really. If you have a winner takes all system, majorities matter. If you need coalitions to rule, the dynamics change...

No, I meant that literally. I have no fucking clue what you think to mean with that.

That means exactly nothing to me.

Probably true which is why the US is potentially a bigger danger to the democratic order in many countries than Russia or China.

I thought some time whether I had something to say about this subject and realised I couldn't really think of anything. Being a person: not worrying a...

Thanks, I agree with basically everything you wrote. I don't know. I live comfortably money wise. More money isn't very meaningful to me and I think t...

How is money less complex here? What is my dollar spent on? The coffee machine? The coffee? Actual instruction? Which instruction? What instruction is...

That's not in the OP though; you just choose the cash and a lot of people are claiming to use the money to save other lives but this isn't a requireme...

Your answer surprises me. If I jump in the water to save someone, my saving him is a conditio sine quo non for the person not drowning. My not giving ...

Is this really comparable though? There's a different level of agency where I'll jump in the water to save someone but I don't donate to lifeguard tra...

which countries embrace this type of monitoring? As I said, you need strong and effective government to protect rights. The right laws, rule of law, p...

What I always find funny about individualists and their freedoms is how they basically whine about rights that haven't really existed for the majority...

These inane platitudes aren't an argument. A baby isn't free anymore than a tortoise on its back. On the other hand, if that's the freedom you value, ...

Fucking bullshit fairy tale. Man is born as a wailing, incapacitated blob of fat entirely dependent on other people to take care of it.

The word game here is where you dismiss logic as a word game. The rest of your post just repeats the same that has been previously demonstrated to be ...

so you're saying it's like masturbation? In any case, this assumes the conclusion (begs the question) that having children is bad, which is the entire...

Yes, which is morally irrelevant if nobody actually benefits and counterfactual in most modern societies.

There's a rather obvious difference between people that will exist and the clear contradiction of a non-existent future person. Personhood, after all,...

benefitting who? If that decision doesn't benefit anyone, it's not a moral choice.

I can consider him you numb skull, as I've repeatedly done and even provide examples for in the OP, I'm saying you cannot speak sensibly about such pe...

straw man as usual. Nothing has no properties, so no potentiality either but I'm perfectly capable of entertaining if this then that's.

No, you stupid cunt, there's no such thing as a non-existent future person.

Until you can explain how nothing cannot suffer, we're done. What you call absurdity is logical rigor, but because it doesn't answer your intuitions y...

How about you answer my question first? It should also clarify why euthanasia is different.

Why bother with the asymmetry then? If there ever was a utilitarian argument... :chin: Yes, this fallacious intuition is shared by many. Unfortunately...

really not causing suffering by procreating, because we stopped talking about morality in its entirety. If I'm merely causing one of the conditions, w...

Your sentence doesn't make sense to me in that I'm confused what you're trying to say. In your last post people are either suffering or they are not. ...

I honestly believe hard antinatalist are thoroughly confused about metaphysics (attributing states and properties to nothing), causality (living is de...

aha, the scenarios where we have pegasi on the one hand and unicorns on the other. If neither pertain to reality nothing about the argument is relevan...

Oh yes, let's return to where you never proved living causes suffering (not a sufficient cause) and just kept repeating "but you have to live to suffe...

Nothing absurd about if you stop replacing meaningful terms with meaningless ones. There's no presupposition between X and second X, so of course, THA...

This is just a rephrasing of "caused by" which I've thoroughly debunked ages ago. Not going again there. Existence doesn't cause suffering. And I don'...

wrong. Read the OP.

As if that resolves the fact that it's meaningless. That's neither here nor there with the specific comment I was replying to. Read the OP, which alre...

This is metaphysical mumbo-jumbo. Nothing doesn't have properties or states. The ability for a thing to have a property presupposes that it exists.

That must have happened when I wasn't looking. :cry:

By the way, if we're going to be utilitarian about it. If I take the numbers from the Netherlands (2013 to 2017) then it looks like the following: htt...

Hear hear. Especially during these fucking lock downs, we need to take extra care of each other. To other posters; my interest in debating antinatalis...

It's only good to prevent suffering if there's someone existing to benefit from that prevention. Edit: have you figured out the reductio yet or are yo...

Maybe quote the whole thing for starters. And no, quite obviously alleviating specific suffering where no other solution is available then euthanasia ...