Michael Ossipoff

understandable. It probably sounded like a quote of religious doctrine.

What a very odd thing to say. That we end up with what we do is hardly limited to religion. Michael Ossipoff 11 Tu 1851 UTC

I'll just answer briefly, because I've recently been replying about that. I don't know. I hope not. It wouldn't make any sense, and would be even more...

Suicidal Nihilists are trying to game the system. They can’t undo their conception and birth. They can’t achieve nonbeing. There’s no such thing for y...

. I didn’t mean to add anything theoretical. In these matters, I do my best to not theorize anything. That’s why I say that my non-metaphysics isn’t a...

Yes, exactly. Of course. I presume that you're referring to deep-sleep. But don't be so sure. Even if we don't remember anything from deep-sleep, that...

What would be an example? Things like that license plate when it's in someone's field-of-vision but they don't notice it? Michael Ossipoff 11 Tu 0157 ...

I'd probably choose whichever of those 2 options is most probable to be successful. If both options are equally succeedable, then of course the 2nd op...

. Just speaking of conscious experience, if you notice something, you experience it. If you don’t notice it, you don’t experience it. If you notice th...

I'll have to resume this discussion tomorrow, because there are household tasks to be done. Michael Ossipoff 10 Su 2234 UTC

Either you or S. was saying or implying that what we hear about the world outside of your direct observational experience means that it objectively ex...

1. I don't know how else to word this: You've directly observationally experienced (in a magazine, a tv show, a book of descriptive physics or astrson...

Reports of the work of theoretical physicists are part of your direct observational experience too. Are you yourself doing something theoretical? Of c...

. …in order to what? :D . Ok, they’re objectively existent if they exist observer-independently (objectively). You won’t get much argument on that. . ...

What you know about the physical world, you know from your experience. From your experience, you can infer other things not directly observed by you, ...

So really, I was replying to something that you hadn't said.

I was just referring to: Yes, it's true that you said "most" and not "all", so maybe my comment wasn't necessary. Michael Ossipoff 10 Su 1824 UTC

Maybe S. is trying to get this thread closed too, for the same reason? :D

I'm not going to repeat my answer to that, which was amply given in your thread that was closed for good reason. Michael Ossipoff 10 Su 1818 UTC

Well, he could try telling us what he means by "Exist", "There is..." or "Real", when he uses those terms with (supposed) absolute, objective, context...

:D

Fine. I'm talking about when they are so used. ...as when people in this thread say that this physical world is objectively existent. We've been over ...

You evidently believe in the "stuff behind the scenes", which, as I said, is the stuff of metaphysical theory. Michael Ossipoff 10 Su 1753 UTC

That's handwaving, unless you can name a flaw (...in subjective idealism itself, not just one version.) Michael Ossipoff 10 Su 1751 UTC

Whatever you know about your physical surroundings is from your experience. Your experience is primary for your physical world and its "objective" thi...

You're right. As I've been pointing out, the words "Exist", "There is...", and "Real", when used with objective, absolute, unqualified, noncontextual ...

. …and that makes it a good idea? . . What goal? . You see, that’s the thing: Exactly what goal would suicide achieve? I told you the why the notion o...

. Then of course anyone would choose A over B. No argument there. . But I was just saying that that doesn’t match your situation that we’ve been discu...

Additionally: If you never asked or chose to be born, and it wasn't your fault, then it isn't really your problem, and you needn't take it seriously. ...

. There’s more than one answer to that: . 1. If you’re a Materialist, then, according to that metaphysics that you believe in, your life wasn’t inevit...

. I say that, after suicide, you’d be stuck with your discontent, anger, unhappiness and life-rejection, as you bring it with you into the eternal eve...

No. That's the definition of 2. ...at least as I'd say it. The positive integers can be defined by repeated addition of the multiplicative identity (1...

. The analogy doesn’t fit the situation. . In your analogy, you’ve been playing the 1st video-game for a long time, and you know exactly what it’s lik...

I've sent a message to your forum-inbox, so just click on "Inbox" at the top of your forum-screen. When there, click on "Reply". That's the convenient...

. That’s all true. My own background, and the worse things that happen to a lot of people around the world are as you say, and we didn’t ask for it. ....

Quite so. In the ever-deepening sleep at the end of life, there are no desires, wishes, goals, need, want, dissatisfaction , incompletion, identity, t...

. …and suicide might satisfy you? . How? . . I don’t think complete ease is to be expected. Some anxiety and insecurity is a natural and appropriate p...

. How would you experience a time of no experience? . Yes, from the point of view of your survivors, they experience that you’re gone when your body h...

I've just found these 2 message,s and it's too late to start one of my (usually long) replies tonight (I'm in the -8 timezone), so I'll reply tomorrow...

If you don't have any wants, then why would there be a reason to do anything? Michael Ossipoff 10 Tu

You could say: A fact is a state of affairs. ....or a fact is a relation among things. You could say that a proposition is something that (before we k...

I remember various versions. But I've taken the time to go through your various replies in this conversation, and, lo, your explanations that I found ...

No, S. did say that the term has a meaning. ...and that he knows what it is. He won' say what it is. Either that's because he can't say, or is unwilli...

. Now S. is resorting to handwaving. . Not a quote from Wittgenstein, but just a name-dropping, the invocation of a holy-name. . So, does S. mean that...

The asymmetry makes sense to me, because harm requires a victim. If everyone were to immediately start practicing contraception or abstinence, no one ...

Yes, the premise that what we say doesn't mean much if we can't tell what we mean. How does S. expect anyone to "engage productively" with someone who...

Translation: S. was unable to tell what he meant. If you can't tell what you mean, maybe you don't know what you mean. Michael Ossipoff 9 Su

. I’m not talking about a moment. I’m talking about ever-deepening sleep. …timeless, because eventually one will no longer know that there ever were, ...

. I guarantee that there’s no such thing as oblivion. . You’ll never experience a time when you aren’t. How could you? . When your body has completely...

The question doesn't have meaning, because the word "exist" isn't metaphysically or ontologically-defined. ...at least not when it's used unqualified ...