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Do you think you can prove that 1+1=2?

Nicholas Ferreira March 01, 2019 at 11:07 15175 views 65 comments
Hello guys. I've been trying to prove a sentence for over a week and I really don't know what else to do. I have tried to do direct proof and reductio ad absurdum several times, but I always reach a dead end. So, since I am already exhausted from this, I would like to propose the challenge of proving that the sentence is true. There it is:
[i]

? "If exactly one being is F and exactly one being is G and nothing is F-and-G, then exactly two beings are F-or-G."
? (((?x)(Fx?¬(?y)(y?x?Fy))?(?x)(Gx?¬(?y)(y?x?Gy)))?¬(?x)(Fx?Gx)) ? (?x)(?y)(((Fx?Gx)?(Fy?Gy))?(x?y)?¬(?z)((z?x?z?y)?(Fz?Gz)))
or
? (((?x)(Fx • ?(?y)(?y=x • Fy)) • (?x)(Gx • ?(?y)(?y=x • Gy))) • ?(?x)(Fx • Gx)) ? (?x)(?y)(((Fx ? Gx) • (Fy ? Gy)) • (?x=y • ?(?z)((?z=x • ?z=y) • (Fz ? Gz))))
[/i]

The first sentence is the english paraphrase of "1+1=2", and the second and third are the corresponding formula. Both the second and the third are exactly the same formula, they differ only in notation (the former uses "?" for conjunction and "?" to inequality, while the latter uses "•" and "?=", and it's more spaced.).
The challenge is to prove by natural deduction that this sentence is true. Good luck.

(Oh, and it's not my homework or something, i'm just learning logic by myself. I took this example in the book "Introduction to Logic", by Harry Gensler (2ª edition: pg 207; 3ª edition: pg 294). I also sent him an e-mail asking for the solution, but he said he never tried to prove this, but that it's possible.)

Comments (65)

RegularGuy March 01, 2019 at 11:53 #260494
Reply to Nicholas Ferreira

“1”, “+”, “=“, and “2” have specific meanings by convention. So, “1+1=2” is a tautology. It has to be true given the meanings of the terms used. There is nothing to prove.
wax March 01, 2019 at 12:04 #260499
by true, it depends what you mean by 'true'.. :P

We are complex beings in a complex mysterious universe, the workings of which we only have a vague clue.
So we use these complex mysterious minds/brains to perceive and understand the question 'is 1+1=2 true'........people often try to prove it is true by showing a person gather a single apple and the place it next to another apple....and I think 'are you serious?'..have you any idea how complex an apple is?
What exactly is an apple? It is the perception by a complex mind, in a complex universe of various components...we really can't be sure of the 'truth' of what is going on..are we supposed to build a model of reality, actually inside that reality, and compare the concept of adding two apples together and then counting the result, and the consider we have proved that 1 apple placed next to 1 apple leads to the conclusion that this process proves that 1+1=2 is a statement of truth somehow.

And as Noah Te Stoete said, it is just a statement that doesn't mean anything outside of maths....it is no different than saying that 1=1...or 683=683.. :)
Nicholas Ferreira March 01, 2019 at 12:23 #260504
Lol, what about interpretation? I'm not talking about mathematics foundings here neither about some philosophical trip. Actually, it doesn't matter if that sentence can really be equivalent 1+1=2 or not. The only thing that I wanted to propose is to prove the validity of that claim. If you want, you can forget what is written about 1 + 1 being equal to 2, whatever.
Oh, and where did you get that tautology should not be proven? One thing is a self-evident tautology like 1=1 or p->p; another thing is something like "(((?x)(Fx?¬(?y)(y?x?Fy))?(?x)(Gx?¬(?y)(y?x?Gy)))?¬(?x)(Fx?Gx)) ? (?x)(?y)(((Fx?Gx)?(Fy?Gy))?(x?y)?¬(?z)((z?x?z?y)?(Fz?Gz)))", which you can't trivially say whether it's a valid inference or not only by reading it's terms and connectives.
Terrapin Station March 01, 2019 at 12:31 #260513
I think it's worth (1) asking why there would be any need to prove this, and (2) analyzing just what it is that we're doing when we're constructing proofs in the first place.
Nicholas Ferreira March 01, 2019 at 12:39 #260517
Reply to Terrapin Station Do you ask your teacher the reason to prove something on a test? Man, it's a challenge, I'm assuming that people who frequent this section of logic and math philosophy know what it means to prove something, to show that a statement entails another, using inference rules, as I said. Sorry, but I really don't know whats the difficulty to understand that.
Terrapin Station March 01, 2019 at 12:50 #260528
Reply to Nicholas Ferreira

You don't think either is worthwhile. Okay. So what am I supposed to do with that information now?
Nicholas Ferreira March 01, 2019 at 12:54 #260533
I don't even know what are you talking about. I'm leaving the post for those who want to test, and possibly improve, their logical capacity. Thanks for answering.
RegularGuy March 01, 2019 at 14:29 #260577
Quoting Nicholas Ferreira
Oh, and where did you get that tautology should not be proven?


Would you seek to prove this tautology: “A bachelor is an unmarried man”?

I suppose you could try, but why?

Why not try to prove something that isn’t self-evident instead?
Nicholas Ferreira March 01, 2019 at 14:40 #260578
Reply to Noah Te Stroete Well, I guess you are confunding logic tautologies with linguistic tautologies. In logic, a tautology is a formula, or a truth-function, that returns always "true" to whatever interpretation you give to the variables. That is, to any possible combination of the truth-value of the variables, the tautology is always true (opose to the contradiction, which is always false to any combination). Linguistic tautologies are just redundant statements that are true due the meaning of the terms and their internal relations. Your example isn't true if I define a bachelor as being an apple (I guess apples aren't unmarried man). On the other hand, the formula ((P?Q)?¬Q)?¬Q), for instance, is always true, regardless what you attribute to "P" and "Q", and you easily can verify it's a tautology with a truth table.
RegularGuy March 01, 2019 at 15:03 #260581
Reply to Nicholas Ferreira “1” and “2” are not variables, and “1+1=2” is basically a linguistic tautology.
Nicholas Ferreira March 01, 2019 at 15:07 #260583
Reply to Noah Te Stroete But you example was about bachelors. Anyway, it doesn't matter, the logical formula in question have variables, and I still not understanding the reason of the difficulty to understand what was proposed...
RegularGuy March 01, 2019 at 15:10 #260584
Reply to Nicholas Ferreira

My objection was that self-evident equations shouldn’t have to be proven (given the meanings of the terms used). Why not prove something interesting?
Nicholas Ferreira March 01, 2019 at 15:13 #260587
Reply to Noah Te Stroete Are you really saying that "(((?x)(Fx • ?(?y)(?y=x • Fy)) • (?x)(Gx • ?(?y)(?y=x • Gy))) • ?(?x)(Fx • Gx)) ? (?x)(?y)(((Fx ? Gx) • (Fy ? Gy)) • (?x=y • ?(?z)((?z=x • ?z=y) • (Fz ? Gz))))" is self-evident?
RegularGuy March 01, 2019 at 15:19 #260589
Reply to Nicholas Ferreira

I’m saying that “1” has a meaning. “+” has a meaning. “=“ has a meaning. “2” has a meaning. Given these meanings, “1+1=2” must be true all the time. You’re making something simple more complicated than it really is. What kind of nut goes about “proving” something that every child can show with apples as @wax suggested?
sime March 01, 2019 at 15:22 #260592
The conclusion "exactly two beings are F-or-G" does not follow from

"exactly one being is F and exactly one being is G and nothing is F-and-G"

Because the conclusion permits (x or y) or (x & y) to be F & G.
Nicholas Ferreira March 01, 2019 at 15:22 #260593
Reply to Noah Te Stroete Reply to Noah Te Stroete Are you reading anything i'm writing? I said at least twice that the "1+1=2" is absolutelly irrelevant to what i'm proposing, it's just a detail. The proposal is to prove that the sentence "(((?x)(Fx • ?(?y)(?y=x • Fy)) • (?x)(Gx • ?(?y)(?y=x • Gy))) • ?(?x)(Fx • Gx)) ? (?x)(?y)(((Fx ? Gx) • (Fy ? Gy)) • (?x=y • ?(?z)((?z=x • ?z=y) • (Fz ? Gz))))" is true, valid, call it what you want. I'll not repeat, and I'll not reply to this kind of comment again.
RegularGuy March 01, 2019 at 15:23 #260594
Reply to Nicholas Ferreira

How is it irrelevant when it is in the topic title?
Terrapin Station March 01, 2019 at 15:28 #260597
Quoting Nicholas Ferreira
The first sentence is the english paraphrase of "1+1=2",


I brushed over that the first time I read your post. That's an English paraphrase of 1=1=2 according to whom? It certainly bears no resemblance to anything at all that I think when I think about "1=1=2"
Nicholas Ferreira March 01, 2019 at 15:31 #260599
Reply to Noah Te Stroete If you had read what I said you would notice that the title isn't anything than a flashy title.
Reply to sime Why does the conclusion permits "(x or y) or (x & y) to be F & G" if it is said that nothing is simultaneously F and G?
Reply to Terrapin Station The reference is in the text, just read. And it's not 1=1=2, it's 1+1=2.
sime March 01, 2019 at 15:33 #260601
Quoting Nicholas Ferreira
Why does the conclusion permits "(x or y) or (x & y) to be F & G" if it is said that nothing is simultaneously F and G?


Your stated conclusion

(?x)(?y)(((Fx?Gx)?(Fy?Gy))?(x?y)?¬(?z)((z?x?z?y)?(Fz?Gz)))

does not say that X or Y cannot simultaneously be F and G.

Therefore your conclusion is weaker than your premise.
Terrapin Station March 01, 2019 at 15:36 #260603
Reply to Nicholas Ferreira Typo--I'm trying to get used to a new keyboard. I guess I wasn't hitting the shift key right. :wink:

Anyway, so I guess I'd need to ask Mr. Gensler what the heck he's talking about re that being an English translation.
Nicholas Ferreira March 01, 2019 at 15:43 #260606
Reply to Noah Te Stroete Wtf are you doing on this forum?
Reply to sime This is said in the antecedent, not in the conclusion. Maybe this image can help the visualization.
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Reply to Terrapin Station Well, I guess it can be taken as a paraphrase that is an interpretation of the mathematical assertion. I really don't know, and I really don't care if it's really 1+1=2, I just wanted to see if someone could prove the validity. Anyway, he's e-mail is [email protected]. He usually answer quickly, so please let us know if you get an answer.
sime March 01, 2019 at 15:56 #260611
Quoting Nicholas Ferreira
sime
This is said in the antecedent, not in the conclusion


Correct, hence your conclusion permits a possibility denied by your premise.
Nicholas Ferreira March 01, 2019 at 16:07 #260613
Reply to sime But why would the conclusion need to explicit something that already has been said in the premise? I mean, in "P?Q", for instance, if you analyze only the consequent, you'll see that "Q" permits "¬P", which is denied by the antecedent. I'm not quite sure what kind of analysis are you doing but I think that analyzing only the conclusion without considering what was stated in the premise isn't the right way.
fdrake March 01, 2019 at 16:11 #260616
ITT people try to convince an OP explicitly asking for help with a natural deduction proof in a specified system that it isn't worth the bother.

Reply to Nicholas Ferreira

? (((?x)(Fx • ?(?y)(?y=x • Fy)) • (?x)(Gx • ?(?y)(?y=x • Gy))) • ?(?x)(Fx • Gx)) ? (?x)(?y)(((Fx ? Gx) • (Fy ? Gy)) • (?x=y • ?(?z)((?z=x • ?z=y) • (Fz ? Gz))))


Only thing I can offer is that if the author didn't attempt it but knows that it is true, maybe the important thing to cultivate in the exercise is an intuition for why it must follow somehow. I imagine you already have this intuition - F is an exclusive property of x, G is an exclusive property of y, for some x Fx, for some y Gy; ie only x if F and only y is G. The only way for there to be a z such that Fz or Gz is if z=x or z=y, and the only way to be both is z=y=x. By eliminating the x=y case, you force the implication that (such a z exists implies z=x or z=y) which by the exclusivity of F and G we know can't be the case. Since we've exhausted the only way such a z can exist and it lead to a contradiction, no such z exists.
sime March 01, 2019 at 16:28 #260619
Quoting Nicholas Ferreira
But why would the conclusion need to explicit something that already has been said in the premise? I mean, in "P?Q", for instance, if you analyze only the consequent, you'll see that "Q" permits "¬P", which is denied by the antecedent. I'm not quite sure what kind of analysis are you doing but I think that analyzing only the conclusion without considering what was stated in the premise isn't the right way.


P?Q doesn't permit Q?¬P in a consistent logic. That case is different to the set-theoretic case, where Fx ? Gx permits Fx ? Gx and is therefore a weaker statement than the latter.

Of course, in a sense your antecedent might be said to contain your "conclusion" as a weaker premise, but i think it is a mistake to think of your right-hand side as a conclusion because it must forever remain tied to the antecedent if it isn't to be misinterpreted as allowing F and G to be overlapping sets containing multiple members... assuming of course, that you want to represent the number 2 as a union of pairwise disjoint singleton sets.
Michael Ossipoff March 01, 2019 at 16:43 #260623
Reply to Nicholas Ferreira


Do you think you can prove that 1+1=2?


No. That's the definition of 2.

...at least as I'd say it.

The positive integers can be defined by repeated addition of the multiplicative identity (1).

Such things as 2 + 2 = 4 can be proved by the additive associative axiom.

Michael Ossipoff

10 F
Nicholas Ferreira March 01, 2019 at 16:44 #260624
Quoting sime
P?Q doesn't permit Q?¬P in a consistent logic

Of course, but you were saying about the consequent only, not about the entire implication. That is why I said that in "P?Q", "Q", alone, permits "¬Q".

Quoting sime
That case is different to the set-theoretic case, where Fx ? Gx permits Fx ? Gx and is therefore a weaker statement than the latter.

Hm, I don't know if I understood. For instance, in the sentence "(¬(?x)(Fx?Gx) ? Fx) ? (Fx?Gx)", you would say that the consequent "Fx?Gx" permits "Fx?Gx"? (It's just an example for me to understand, I'm not saying this is the case)

Quoting sime
Of course, in a sense your antecedent might be said to contain your "conclusion" as a weaker premise, but i think it is a mistake to think of your right-hand side as a conclusion because it must forever remain tied to the antecedent if it isn't to be misinterpreted as allowing F and G to be overlapping sets containing multiple members... assuming of course, that you want to represent the number 2 as a union of pairwise disjoint singleton sets.

Well, why couldn't we treat it like so? I mean, I could say that the antecedent is the premise and the consequent is the conclusion, and since the conclusion follows from the premise, I could represent they in a conditional statement. I didn't understand part of your latter paragraph... English isn't my native language and i'm not familliar with a lot of terms you used.
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andrewk March 01, 2019 at 21:13 #260676
Quoting Noah Te Stroete
“1”, “+”, “=“, and “2” have specific meanings by convention. So, “1+1=2” is a tautology. It has to be true given the meanings of the terms used. There is nothing to prove.

The statement of "1+1=2" in Peano arithmetic is:

S0 + S0 = SS0

Because "1" means S0 and "2" means SS0. S is the 'successor' function.

That is not a tautology. It has to be proved. The proof, as I recall, is not long.
RegularGuy March 01, 2019 at 21:19 #260678
Reply to andrewk I hold that mathematics is based on tautologies. That is why you can come up with mathematical equations that do not refer to anything in the physical universe. It’s kind of like the CTEK theory of justification in that it just circles back on itself. Now, I don’t know anything about Peano arithmetic, but the Arabic numerals normal people use as in this example is a tautology.
andrewk March 01, 2019 at 21:27 #260681
A Tautology is a feature of a language, not a theory. Peano arithmetic is a theory, so something being true in Peano arithmetic does not make it a tautology of the language in which it is written. In the very same language the following are correct:

1+1=0

in binary arithmetic, and

1+1=1

in Boolean arithmetic.
RegularGuy March 01, 2019 at 21:29 #260682
Reply to andrewk Boolean arithmetic and binary arithmetic ARE languages as are all mathematics.
andrewk March 01, 2019 at 21:38 #260684
Reply to Noah Te Stroete No they are theories, expressed in the language of mathematics. The distinction is critical.
RegularGuy March 01, 2019 at 21:39 #260685
Reply to andrewk Please explain the critical distinction. A theory suggests that it’s foundation is in the observable physical universe. Or do you disagree?
andrewk March 01, 2019 at 21:41 #260686
Reply to Noah Te Stroete Look up any logic text. There is no shame in not knowing the difference between a theory and a language. Most people don't. But it is inappropriate to criticise other posts in a discussion on logic, based solely on your lack of knowledge of some of the basic building blocks of symbolic logic.
RegularGuy March 01, 2019 at 21:43 #260687
Reply to andrewk Just humor me a bit. Does the theory refer to anything in physical reality, or is it free-floating? This is critical to my understanding. If it is free-floating, then I stand by my claim.
RegularGuy March 01, 2019 at 21:59 #260689
Reply to andrewk “1+1=2” is a mathematical tautology that is self-evident to anyone who ever had an apple then was given another one. Theories of logic just seem like convoluted language gaming to me. Perhaps you could explain to someone ignorant (as I am) why or how a theory can’t be based on tautologies.
Zosito March 01, 2019 at 22:08 #260690
Reply to Noah Te Stroete

Hello. Can you please state what you understand to be a tautology?

If someone asks a mathematician or logician to prove "1+1=2", they will do so using axioms and theorems of arithmetic. They will not take it as self-evident.
RegularGuy March 01, 2019 at 22:10 #260691
Reply to Zosito I understand a tautology to be a proposition that has to be true given the meanings of the terms used. Is that wrong?
Zosito March 01, 2019 at 22:15 #260692
Reply to Nicholas Ferreira
Hi. You could try breaking the implication into smaller expressions and treating them as an argument. You have 3 main conjuncts in the antecedent; treat them as your premises.
Treat your consequent as the conclusion you want to prove using the 3 premises.
andrewk March 01, 2019 at 22:16 #260693
Reply to Nicholas Ferreira First let me write it out in a way that's a bit easier to read - for me at least:

"If exactly one object has property F and exactly one object has property G and no object has both properties, then there are exactly two objects that satisfy one or more of the two properties"

(
(?x(Fx ? ¬?y(y?x ? Fy) ) )
? (?x(Gx ? ¬?y(y?x ? Gy) ) )
? ¬?x(Fx ? Gx)
)

?

?x?y(
(Fx ? Gx)
? (Fy ? Gy)
? (x?y)
? ¬?z( (z?x ? z?y) ? (Fz ? Gz) )
)


It sounds like it should be true.
RegularGuy March 01, 2019 at 22:20 #260694
Reply to Nicholas Ferreira Reply to Zosito
Reply to andrewk

I skipped symbolic logic in college because I didn’t need it to graduate. The joke about nerds and getting laid was just that, a joke.

The idea of mathematical tautologies was suggested to me by my professor who got his PhD from UCLA.
andrewk March 01, 2019 at 22:31 #260696
Reply to Noah Te Stroete Very roughly, a formal language is (1) a set of symbols that can be used, together with (2) a set of rules for how they can be strung together to make syntactically correct statements and (3) a set of rules for how deductions can be made.

A theory T in a language L is a set of syntactically valid statements in L such that any statement that can be deduced from a finite collection of statements in T, using the deduction rules of L, is also in T.

We say a collection A of statements in L is a set of 'axioms' for T if T is the intersection of all theories containing A. We say 'T is generated by A'.

The set of tautologies in L is the theory generated by the empty set (ie no axioms).
Zosito March 01, 2019 at 22:37 #260698
Reply to Nicholas Ferreira

I re expressed some of the formulas. Proving the conclusion using the 3 premises would be equivalent to proving that the initial implication is true.



P1: ?x(Fx ? ?y(Fy ? y=x) )
P2: ?x(Gx ? ?y(Gy ? y=x) )
P3: ?x(¬Fx ? ¬Gx )

C1: ?x?y[ (
( (Fx ? Gx) ? (Fy ? Gy) )
? (x?y) )
? ?z((Fz ? Gz) ? (z=x ? z=y) )]

RegularGuy March 01, 2019 at 22:40 #260699
Quoting andrewk
The set of tautologies in L is the theory generated by the empty set (ie no axioms).


I don’t understand what you mean by this.
RegularGuy March 01, 2019 at 22:41 #260700
Reply to andrewk How do you define “tautology”?
RegularGuy March 01, 2019 at 22:48 #260701
Reply to andrewk Rather than wasting more of your time, perhaps you could suggest to me a symbolic logic textbook that I can download to my Kindle? Thanks.
andrewk March 01, 2019 at 22:56 #260703
Reply to Noah Te Stroete It's a good question, often asked and unfortunately one for which I do not have an answer, as I did not use textbooks in learning logic. It would be great if we had a list of recommended textbooks pinned to the top of the Logic and Mathematics forum, so that all could benefit from it. I'll start a thread there inviting recommendations. If we get some good ones (ie recommendations that don't have lots of other people saying the text is terrible), we can pin it.
RegularGuy March 01, 2019 at 22:58 #260704
Reply to andrewk That’s a good idea. Perhaps if one is popular, then we could do a reading group?
andrewk March 01, 2019 at 23:03 #260705
Reply to Noah Te Stroete Yes that sounds good. I have started a thread asking for recommendations.
RegularGuy March 01, 2019 at 23:03 #260706
Bliss March 01, 2019 at 23:09 #260707
Assume that F and G are "attributes". Assume that beings have some combination of attributes.
the number of beings with an attribute combination which contains F or G is sum over all possible attribute combinations which contain F or G, of the number of beings with that combination.

The only possible attribute combinations which contain F or G are of the types
1) F not G
2) G not F
3) F and G

Define Nf as the number of beings with F only. Define Ng as the number of beings with G only. Define Nf&g as the number of beings with F and G. Define Nf|g as the number of beings with at least one of F or G. Then

Nf|g = Nf + Ng + Nf&g

for the special case that Nf = 1, Ng = 1, and Nf&g = 0, Nf|g=2
andrewk March 02, 2019 at 00:25 #260720
Reply to Nicholas Ferreira Here you go:

P1: ?x(Fx ? ?y(Fy ? y=x) )
P2: ?x(Gx ? ?y(Gy ? y=x) )
P3: ?x¬(Fx ? Gx )

C1: ?x?y[ (
(Fx ? Gx)
? (Fy ? Gy)
? (x?y) )
? ?z((Fz ? Gz) ? (z=x ? z=y) )]

We write ‘a’ for an object that satisfies P1 and ‘b’ for an object that satisfies P2.
So we have:

3: Fa ? ?y(Fy ? y=a) (? elimination, P1)
4: Gb ? ?y(Gy ? y=b) (? elimination, P2)

which we split into

5: Fa
6: ?y(Fy ? y=a)
7: Gb
8: ?y(Gy ? y=b)

9: ¬(Fa ? Ga ) (substitution of a into P3)
10: ¬(Fb ? Gb ) (substitution of b into P3)

Next:
11: ....Fb (Cond Hyp)
12: ....Fb ? Gb (9, 7)
13: ....Contradiction (10, 12)
14: ¬Fb (close Cond Proof, negating 11)

15: ....Ga (Cond Hyp)
16: ....Fa ? Ga (15, 5)
17: ....Contradiction (9, 16)
18: ¬Ga (close Cond Proof, negating 15)

We hypothesise that a and b are objects that satisfy the existence claim in C1.
We’ll prove the conjuncts in C1 in turn, for the case x=a, y=b.

19: Fa ? Ga (5, OR introduction) [1st conjunct proven]
20: Fb ? Gb (7, OR introduction) [2nd conjunct proven]

21: ....a=b (Cond Hyp)
22: ....Ga (7, 21, substitution on =)
23: ....Fa ? Ga
24: ....¬(Fa ? Ga) (P3, specification of x=a)
25: ....Contradiction (23, 24)
26: a ? b (close Cond Proof, negating 21) [3rd conjunct proven]


27: Fz ? z=a (specify y=z in 6)
28: z ? a ? ¬Fz (reversal of 27)
29: Gz ? z=b (specify y=z in 8)

31: .... Fz ? Gz (Cond Hyp)
32: ........ z ? a (Cond Hyp)
33: ........ ¬Fz (Modus Ponens 28, 32)
34: ........ Gz (31, 33, OR elimination)
35: ........ z=b (MP 29, 34)
36: .... ¬ (z=a) ? (z=b) (close Cond Proof 32-35)
37: .... z=a ? z=b
38: Fz ? Gz ? z=a ? z=b (close Cond Proof 31-37) [4th conjunct proven]

39: (Fa ? Ga) ? (Fb ? Gb) ? a ? b ? (Fz ? Gz ? z=a ? z=b) (AND introduction 19, 20, 26, 38)
40: ?x ?y (Fx ? Gx) ? (Fy ? Gy) ? x ? y ? (Fz ? Gz ? z=x ? z=y) (? introduction 39)
Zosito March 02, 2019 at 00:47 #260725
Reply to andrewk Slightly different proof:


1- Fx' ? ?y(Fy ? y=x') Existential instantiation (P1)
2- Gy' ? ?y(Gy ? y=y') Existential instantiation (P2)
3- Fx' Simplification (1)
4- ?y(Fy ? y=x') Simplification (1)
5- Gy' Simplification (2)
6- ?y(Gy ? y=y') Simplification (2)
7- ¬Fx' ? ¬Gx' Universal instantiation (P3)
8- ¬Fy' ? ¬Gy' Universal instantiation (P3)
9- ¬Gx' Disjunctive syllogism (3,7)
10- ¬Fy' Disjunctive syllogism (5,8)
11- Fx' ? ¬Fy' Adjunction (3,10)
12- ¬(x' = y') Identity (11)
13- Fx' ? Gx' Addition (3)
14- Fy' ? Gy' Addition (5)
15- ?y(Fy ? y=x' ? y=y') Addition (4)
16- ?y(Gy ? y=x' ? y=y') Addition (6)
17- ?y(Fy ? y=x'?y=y') ? ?y(Gy ? y=x' ? y=y') Adjunction (15,16)
18- ?y[(Fy ? y=x'?y=y') ? (Gy ? y=x'?y=y')] Universal distribution (17)
19- ?y[(¬Fy ?(y=x'?y=y')) ? (¬Gy ? (y=x'?y=y'))] Implication (18)
20- ?y[(¬Fy ? ¬Gy) ? (y=x'?y=y')] Distribution law (19)
21- ?y[(Fy ? Gy) ? (y=x'?y=y')] Implication (20)
C - ?x?y[ ( ( (Fx ? Gx) ? (Fy ? Gy) ) ? (x?y) )
? ?z((Fz ? Gz) ? (z=x ? z=y) )] Existential Generalization (12,13,14,21)
fishfry March 02, 2019 at 06:03 #260828
I didn't read any of this thread yet but if I had to prove that 1 + 1 = 2 I'd start from the Peano axioms and define [math]n + 1 \overset{\text{def}}{\equiv} S(n)[/math]where [math]S[/math] is the successor function given by the axioms. The symbol 0 is also given by the axioms. Then I'd define the symbols:

[math]1 \overset{\text{def}}{\equiv} S(0) = 0 + 1[/math]

and

[math]2 \overset{\text{def}}{\equiv} S(1) = 1 + 1[/math]

and I'm done.
andrewk March 02, 2019 at 06:24 #260830
Reply to fishfry It turns out the thread is actually about a completely different problem. The title is a misnomer.
Nicholas Ferreira March 02, 2019 at 07:30 #260840
Reply to andrewk Reply to Zosito That's what I'm talking about! I just woke up, so I'll do some things and se your reply calmy later. Thanks for answering!
Reply to andrewk Yeah, as I said before, I just put this title because the book says that sentence is the representation of 1+1=2, but it isn't really important to what I was proposing. The title was just something that i thought it would call people's attention; maybe it's inadequate.
alan1000 May 15, 2019 at 13:26 #289592
I take it, from the way this post has developed, none of the contributors is actually familiar with the Peano Axioms of arithmetic. Firstly, the fact that 1+1=2 can be proved, means that it is a theorem, and therefore MUST be proved - ie, it is not an axiom. Secondly, the proof that 1+1=2 is actually much simpler than they imagine. In its short form, it goes as follows:

1+1 = 1+S(0) = S(1+0) = S(1) = 2

- where the S function = "the successor of".

In its long form, of course, it would require an exposition of the Peano Axioms, which goes beyond the scope of this post.

Michael May 15, 2019 at 13:34 #289595
Quoting alan1000
I take it, from the way this post has developed, none of the contributors is actually familiar with the Peano Axioms of arithmetic.


You mean aside from the answers by Reply to andrewk and Reply to fishfry?
thedeadidea May 15, 2019 at 13:46 #289599


1 + 1 = 2 is True.

It is True in the sense of an indisputable fact of a mathematical operation... It as its own statement is its own means and ends.

Let those who wish to quibble over the foundation of maths, epistemic truth and semantic version of truth without substantiating any terms do so at their leisure.
TheMadFool May 16, 2019 at 15:58 #289914
Reply to Nicholas Ferreira

Suppose 1 + 1 =/= 2
1 + 1 - 1 =/= 2 - 1
1 =/= 1

Contradiction

Therefore 1 + 1 = 2
Pattern-chaser May 16, 2019 at 17:46 #289939
Quoting Noah Te Stroete
“1”, “+”, “=“, and “2” have specific meanings by convention. So, “1+1=2” is a tautology. It has to be true given the meanings of the terms used. There is nothing to prove.


Yes, once we have accepted the axioms and theorems of set theory, number theory and arithmetic, we find that "1 + 1 = 2" is defined to be true. It cannot but be true.
Pattern-chaser May 16, 2019 at 17:49 #289940
Quoting Nicholas Ferreira
?Noah Te Stroete Wtf are you doing on this forum?


Philosophy?
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