creativesoul

This is still the problem.

I think you're full of shit and you know it. Hence, you're all over the place, and now you've shown a pattern of feigning ignorance when I point out a...

Yeah... :roll: I've certainly had enough discourse with you...

Discussing the affects/effects of religious discussion does. :wink:

But, but, but... If many spectra are green then spectra are green... Some spectra are green. Some spectra are green. But, but, but... You said spectra...

"Spectra"(capitalized for grammatical reasons only) IS a name. :meh: It is used to pick out "the distributions of intensities of light as a function o...

Only to people who do not understand that spectra exist in their entirety prior to our naming and describing them. :brow:

Glad you can overlook my grammatical errors with this foreign jargon. I'll simplify in the hopes of making this as simple as possible... Seeing red is...

That is not by my argument. That is not what I want to say, nor do I want or need to rethink what I've said or what I want to say. The fallacies are b...

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I'm beginning to be inclined to agree. Other animals can perceive the kinds of plants that we've named "trees". "Trees" is the name we've bestowed upo...

You mentioned other animals in the bit I was responding to. I asked, and I think you've just answered. Yes. Right? Other animals can perceive the clas...

Can other animals perceive the class of spectra that we call "red"? The above makes perfect sense if it makes sense to say that they cannot perceive i...

The above is your (edited)reply. I'm wondering if it makes any sense to drop off the "as the same color" portion. So, I asked if any other animal perc...

No. I'm not at all being evasive. As I said, it may become relevant. It also may not. Prior to even being sure of either possibility, I must first und...

Can they perceive the class of spectra that we call "red"?

This bit above I'm having trouble squaring with your position/argument in general.

It may become relevant. I want to make sure that I understand what you're saying. That is primary.

Ok. No need for apologies. I appreciate your patience. So the term "red" has a set(or sets?) of spectra(metamers?) that it picks out. Are you saying t...

You've inundated me with previously unfamiliar jargon and processes here. That's not a problem, but you'll have to bear with me as I read your replies...

Spectra and colors... What's the difference?

Again. Not my claim.

I've never claimed that it could.

It's the oddest thing. If you do not believe that foot pain in is your foot simply because the rest of the nervous system is not, then there's not muc...

The big picture, I'm figuring, is human perception... Yes? I've already addressed problems with the language you've used to discuss it. You've yet to ...

What do you think that I'm making up? That when you kick something hard with your foot that the pain is in your foot? I think that you're arguing with...

Ok. Then what's at stake between your position and my own is a matter of degree and not kind, so to speak. Some animals are red/green color blind. Dog...

Curious. Are you saying that colors do not exist?

Let me know when you're capable of not taking everything personally. Sigh. Stick out your foot. I'll hit it with a hammer, and bet you whatever amount...

They are picking out red things. Are they not?

Animals can be trained to select red things.

That's odd. When you accidentally kick something with your little toe... are you saying that the pain is not in your toe?

I'm left wondering what on earth you think counts as "flawless" perception... or "flawed" for that matter. :worry:

That's not true.

"Elitism" on Fox News is equivalent to anyone on the left, particularly those people who are financially well off, live on the coasts, enjoy Starbucks...

Not at all.

I have a pain in my foot. My foot is in the world. Pain is in the world. Where have I gone wrong? Perhaps the problems you're attempting to discuss ar...

That is par for the course in current American political discourse. Unfortunately, it's not just Trump supporters.

This thread is prima facie proof of many inherently inadequate notions of thought and belief(mind) at work.

Yep.

Everyone's perception... Spell this out. Clearly it's not "what is perceived". So... You're equivocating the term "perception". Clear that up, and it ...

Trees aren't absolute. Ok. :brow:

You're equivocating... In the OP, you say "what is perceived" and "what exists". Our perception is not "what is perceived".

Humans are not the only creatures capable of seeing color. Camouflage wouldn't quite work as an evolutionary advantage if there were no color... It's ...

The argument from illusion(delusion) fails. In order for there to be an illusion of something, that something must already exist.

Trees exist. Blind people perceive them without sight.

Mommy, I want the little brown puppy. But honey, there are no brown puppies.

What makes you think that they are different? :brow: Trees exist. I see(perceive) the tree.

Numbers are names for quantities.

What a mess! :yikes: