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You two are now playing a game that I am ill-equipped to play... But it is just a game... :wink:

:brow: Is it me, or...

Seems that this bot has lost it's referent. :lol:

Sounds like a sales add... :vomit:

Cheers Banno. I want to buy you a beer or whatever the drink of choice may be... Tomorrow...

This is not a well formed statement. There is no subject. What corresponds to the proposition "rustling plastic implies impending treats"?

Shit! Have I been reading that passage wrong for fifteen years? Was Witt advocating throwing the ladder away or admonishing such a thing?

I suspect I have interacted on occasion with several different bots. I'm a sucker for such a thing... :wink: Comes with trusting that others are speak...

The correlations my cats have drawn, and continue to draw time and time again between the sound of rustling plastic and getting treats.

You asked(someone else not advocating those terms) what the difference was between propositions and correlations. Simply put... All propositions are c...

I would not worry too much about AI being like human thought, belief, and/or intelligence until an electronic device is capable of drawing meaningful ...

Awww... You should have asked me that question. I've been waiting for something like that. A proposition is a proposal. Proposals consist entirely of ...

That strikes me as wrong. It's late, and I'll attend to it at another time. :wink: Thanks. It's (almost)always a pleasure...

That would be a consequence, unintended. The aim is to acquire knowledge of human thought and belief. It started out being about my own. You may remem...

The above assertion remains a point of contention, and it is one that I will not agree with, until someone, somewhere, can convince me how proposition...

Linguistic belief are those consisting of correlations drawn between language use and other things. Compare/contrast that to non linguistic beliefs, w...

And one that stops us when we're attempting to place all belief in one or the other category.

We're in agreement regarding this particular rendering. This one avoids the the problem stemming from taking it is be the case that a proposition is t...

As I already said, there are linguistic beliefs that are not expressed linguistically. So, using this suggestion we are inevitably going to conflate u...

Sorry, but that last response has left me wondering how much we're on the same page, or perhaps if we're talking about the same things. Namely, I am l...

When we're talking about understanding that the floor is solid, we must discuss what that takes, or what it takes in order to be able to do that. I th...

Nah. There are no non linguistic beliefs that are expressed linguistically. So, the suggestion ends up focusing upon only linguistic beliefs... those ...

Care to set out these basic ideas? I'm unsure what you're talking about.

Indeed. Especially when we're reporting upon that which consists of and/or is existentially dependent upon both. Thought, belief, truth, and meaning a...

Yes. I'm reminded of Heidegger.

Ding ding ding ding ding....

Replace "presupposes" with "is existentially dependent upon", and "presupposition" with "existential dependency" and we are in complete agreement on t...

I'm not sure what cognitive science says about it at the moment. Translating beliefs into language seems to me to be the only viable option here, at l...

The alternative being advocated for here is more like a propositional attitude, or behaving as if... the creature believes something is the case. Thes...

Clearly, if language less creatures form, have, and/or hold belief... and they clearly do. The sticking point is what such belief is... what it consis...

In order for that to be true, propositional content must somehow exist in it's entirety prior to language, and as such it would not be equivalent to w...

Well put, and applicable to some of my own claims but not all! :wink: Something is off here...

Hello, and nice addition.

Strange balls... :yum:

How can a language less creature believe that a proposition is true, unless - at the very least - that creature understands the proposition? Cat's do ...

He shows that he believes the proposition is true? His behaviour shows that he believes "the floor is solid" is true?

Jack takes it to be the case that the proposition is true? :brow:

Humor me. You've offered different answers at different times. How are propositions involved your cat's belief?

It will not happen, because brains are not enough. Physiological sensory perception requires something to be perceived, and something capable of perce...

Recognizing and/or attributing causality is primal in that it is something that all thinking and/or believing creatures do... We can watch it occur, i...

How is this so regarding your cat's belief?

Statements, propositions, assertions, taking 'X' to be the case, and other such predication based constructs will not cut it here, unless pre linguist...

Neither can Banno. It's the strongest evidence possible for rejecting the framework altogether. :wink:

Not us... Banno's cat.

Do you think it is possible that Witt was making a concerted effort to make sense of Moore's claim while remaining consistent? Do you agree with my ea...

What does it mean to say that all belief has propositional content? The only evidence brought to bear in support of that claim are reports about your ...

I do not think that that was a veiled charge towards you... personally. "You" was a hypothetical. Replace "you" with "one"... Banno is right to bring ...

It's the drive for evolutionary amenability! :wink: Tired. Hungry. Shoots!

Touching fire causes pain. Touching fire provides the strongest possible justificatory ground for believing the fire caused the pain. No one who has e...

I'm inclined to agree. I think Sam would be ok with that as well. He's already expressed as much. Earlier he mentioned not following Witt's reasoning ...