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The "snow is white" example almost makes the point that not all belief is regarding a statement; that not all belief has propositional content; that n...

Are there sides? Shit. I'm clueless, I seem to be arguing against both. :wink:

Nah. I don't do 'isms'.

I actually agree that our thought is unique in the animal world, as a direct result of written language, but not regarding everything prior to. I've n...

Pots and kettles for a purveyor of belief as propositional attitude. That's not what a reification fallacy is anyway, and anyone whose read what I've ...

A sure sign that there's no substance to the counter-argument is when a participant focuses upon the author rather than the argument being given.

No it's not.

Sure. To the precise extent that they are capable of drawing correlations between different things. At that level of cognitive ability it's always cor...

Evolutionarily seems best to me? I'm attempting to put forth an elemental description of a complex entity in such a way that most reasonable people wo...

Could be I suppose. I doubt it though. All statements are predication All predication is correlations drawn between different things Not all correlati...

Another's belief and our report of it. "Belief that 'X'" is our report, where X is a statement/proposition. Pointing out that our reports are in propo...

Behaviour is not belief, on my view. Belief is correlations drawn between things. I do not really see much of a difference between the two levels, asi...

Kripke?

Non linguistic conscious experience consists entirely of correlations drawn between different directly perceptible things, none of which are language ...

If it is the case that all belief is a propositional attitude, then it cannot be the case that language less creatures have belief. The problem:Langua...

A suggestion... Can we at least agree that there is a difference between our bodies and our reports thereof?

I've a thread about attributing things that are unique to human beings to other animals/things. The personification of other creatures and the world; ...

Look like just plain 'ole names to me. "Sounds like" would be better. Look! An argument for qualia.

Bolding above is mine As I said, if it is the case that we are both objects in the world(and we most certainly are), and subjects taking account of th...

A creature that draws correlations between different things, none of which are language use, and none of which have ever been language use. While ther...

You chopped out too much context regarding my comments on propositions for me to make much sense of the rest...

You may tell me as often as you like that you're going to be using the same term in different ways, and in most normal everyday situations that would ...

If it is the case that we are both objects in the world and subjects taking account of it and/or ourselves, then the dichotomy cannot be used as a mea...

I'm not entirely sure what frank is arguing for, so if it is the case that what I'm arguing somehow helps them, it is purely coincidental. I'm attempt...

Red cups, apples, and pains can be directly perceived, named, and further described. I reject the subject/object framework altogether. We are both obj...

:flower: I'll leave that alone.

In the same argument, using the word differently is equivocating.

It's not my accounting of belief that has been found wanting.

Obfuscation is disappointing. Do cats have beliefs? According to the position you're working from, in order to avoid self-contradiction, incoherence, ...

That's one way to skirt around the issue, but leaves you with being forced to admit that cats do not have belief. Otherwise it's still an equivocation...

One can hold an apple in one's hands prior to language use, just as one can have a pain in one's hand prior to language use. Language use is not part ...

Biological machinery.

Apples are directly perceptible external things. Pains are directly perceptible internal things.

I'm always left wondering why so many participants around here seem to think that arguing for direct perception always and only implies naive realism ...

You look?

Sarcasm doesn't translate well into written word alone.

Because that's how it is!

But I answered that already in the longer posts about the cat's experience. Understanding that conscious experience consists of correlations drawn bet...

On a second reading... it seems that the similarity may end sooner than I thought.

So, then some belief is not an attitude towards a proposition, and we've arrived at incoherence and/or self-contradiction. Belief is an attitude towar...

Ok. I didn't think you were willing to say that that statement is true. That is a new statement of contention. :brow: Surprisingly.

The way things are, in and of themselves, serves as a basis. It is distinct from the way things appear. We only have access to the latter. Something l...

Cats do not have belief.

Their food is not a proposition.

That question needs answered.

It's the conflating perception with reality stigma.

How about we do it for the first time? :smile: :flower:

Banno's not a fan of Kantian frameworks.

How can a language less creature have an attitude towards a proposition?

I would concur.