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What language less creatures are capable of believing and thinking is precisely what's in question here. That sort of consideration relies upon notion...

Hey Mww. You and I both know that "thought" to you means something very different than "thought" to me. On your view, and correct me if I'm wrong, the...

Not sure how you arrived at that conclusion, but it's false... if you care enough about whether or not your beliefs about my experience are true. I su...

Indeed, we are. I've watched a number of different 'documentaries' about animal minds and problem solving. What seems to be of philosophical importanc...

We do not necessarily have to remain connected. We must first connect though. That is the way things are. Asking if it ought be that way is out of pla...

That all depends upon what counts as proof.

Yes. It is the kinds or complexity of language less thought that needs attention. Many rational thoughts we have are incapable of being formed, had, a...

Yup. The difference between language less thought and belief and language users' thought and belief are pivotal here in this discussion. How else do w...

I like the acknowledgement of evolutionary progression. However, thinking is something that we do. Thinking is existentially dependent upon certain bi...

I'm not sure what that means. Behaviour is not thought. Behaviour is not belief. Behaviour is not meaningful experience. What's in dispute here is whe...

Here is where it went off the rails. The difference between thought, belief, and/or experiences that humans and only humans can have that no other ani...

Accountability applies only to those who know they've done wrong(those who know better). Other creatures capable of thought, belief, and/or meaningful...

I've an issue with attributing awareness of awareness to any creature incapable of thinking about thought and belief as a subject matter in its own ri...

Thought, belief, and/or knowledge is not a description. Some folk say that dogs are somehow, someway, doing calculus when they catch a ball. I say tha...

It's not about my preferences. It's about thought, belief, and/or experience that exists and existed in its entirety prior to language use on the evol...

Might have something to do with the fact that not all behaviour involves using language. All linguistic behaviour does.

I meant to directly address this, but didn't. Didn't pay close enough attention, I suppose. So, again, sorry for the delay... Yes. I would agree that ...

Are you claiming that language less thought, belief, and/or experience consists of behaviour and behaviour alone?

I'm not keen on conflating mathematical descriptions(which are existentially dependent upon language users) with language less knowledge, thought, and...

:smile: First, we can(and do, I would argue) know what all meaningful experience consists of - at the basic irreducible core. It consists of correlati...

Okay. Again, sorry for the delay. When it comes to what counts as thought, belief, and/or meaningful experience(s) of language less creatures, we must...

I'm happy to clarify. I'm unsure what you're after though. The fact that some philosophers cannot or do not have any idea how distinctions can be draw...

Okay. Sorry for the delay... Is it the presupposition that fear is a directly perceptible thing? If the being full of fear does not count as directly ...

It is my next focus here. My apologies for not being prompt yesterday. Late dinner invitation. Nice company. Be nice to have another someplace other t...

None that I can tell. Pondering one's own existence requires having already situated oneself in what isn't. Commit solipsism to the flames...

As an explanation. Well, as best I can tell, they're probably incapable of wondering why this or that happens. So, I suspect the answer is "no". I'm o...

I'm not confident I remember the authors of the three JTB formulations Gettier set out in the beginning of his paper. Maybe... Ayer, Chisholm, and ???...

Bernie's attitude and behaviour is admirable. He's Good with a capital g. He's not the only one. Add to that that Bernie was right at the time - when ...

Thinking about X requires X. <------I'm okay with that. emphasis mine I'm not okay with that. Not all things(X's) exist in their entirety prior to bei...

Yup... :gasp:

You've overestimated my upsettedness... :wink: I was just trying to nip personal attacks in the bud. That was also weeks back. Anyway, take your time,...

Bernie. From the establishment's silencing of the right candidate for working class Americans came Trump's possibility to do what he's done.

Very interesting early exit polls showing what's most important to voters...

Only if all shared meaning enables and/or facilitates thinking about our own thought and belief(metacognition). Not all does. Good catch! :wink: While...

Thought consists of much more than what goes on in the head. We can know some stuff about what's going inside the head of all thinking creatures by kn...

Meaningful experience preceded accounts of it. If any notion of "meaningful experience" contradicts that, then they are flat out wrong. Prelinguistic ...

We're in dire need of a criterion; a standard; a metric to be reached. What counts as rational thought of another creature if that thought is not some...

Do we or do we not have a way to know what's going on inside of the head of another thinking creature? I think we do, and you've responded in kind. My...

Testing hypothesis via observing behaviour is comparative assessment and as such presupposes testability. There are some things at work here, beneath ...

I'm working on a reply to this and what followed. Shows a bit of promise from where I sit, so to speak. Thanks.

Point well-made and taken. That should have been further qualified as all spherical lines of circumference. That's what I meant. That's what I was thi...

Whether or not a sphere's line of circumference looks like a circle on an actual sphere presupposes a vantage point of origin. Sometimes it can and do...

What's the situation such that it warrants such a lack of certainty?

We can know that a language less creature is incapable of metacognition. If doing Y requires metacognition, and creature 1 has no language, then we ca...

This is mistaken in more than one way. It is false. We have more than one way of knowing what goes on in animal's heads. Observing behaviour can be on...

As if a universal criterion is a bad thing? We can know that a cat believes that there is a mouse under the cabinet. We can know that the cat's belief...

Straight lines on spheres? That's interesting too. :yum:

Ah. Understood. I need to read more carefully. Thanks. I appreciatcha!

That's not at all true either Janus. I know beyond all doubt that you're drawing correlations between the words we use and all sorts of other things, ...

The 'great circle' looks elliptical to me. "Circle" is being used in the same argument in two different senses.