Seems to me that that's a tad too strongly put. Conventional belief attribution practices may end that way, but that's a flaw born of conflating propo...
Broken clocks are not reliable time tellers. That's about the J part. The content of belief is not equivalent to a report of it. That's about the B pa...
I may be inclined, if you like, to offer candidates of JTB that are not Gettier cases. We could then apply your concepts/reasoning to them and see wha...
Anyway, I'm okay with our views being different. I wasn't okay with being invited to criticize and then being given the response that was given to wha...
This presupposes that the belief had epistemic validity to begin with. "It is three o'clock" does not follow from believing that a broken clock is wor...
Yes, generally speaking. I would further say that there are significant differences between some and others. However, all of them, I think, directly i...
Yep. Detached from the believer, "P" can mean very different things as is clearly shown by the difference in truth conditions between Smith's belief a...
Since you mentioned/used it, the first case aims at Chisholm's formulation directly below. S knows that P IFF, (i) S accepts P, (ii) S has adequate ev...
Irrelevant to the point being made. Gettier's claim to fame is/was that his examples undermine/undermined two widely accepted formulations of JTB by v...
Sure it is. Gettier offered two cases which purportedly qualified as JTB yet were not knowledge. If Gettier offered two cases of justified false belie...
Is Smith's belief accidentally true or is it false? It cannot be both. It is a problem for JTB, only if it's true. If it is justified false belief, th...
Good morning Ludwig! :smile: I'm not well read on Hobbes' variation and its details/consequences, although what you say seems about right with respect...
Nice example of an ad hom argument charging others of the same. Goes nicely with the earlier ad hom you offered in response to the very simple critici...
The ship never stops being the ship. If a change in physical constituency demands different identity, then it would be impossible to name things fast ...
Presupposes you know mine. Presupposed you know the argument and it's logical consequences. Please, set this line of thinking out, along with it's con...
The burden here is yours, not mine. The assumption you're working from is misguided. You're assuming that Gettier showed a problem for the J in JTB. Y...
I can be certain of far more than that. I think your conflating truth with certainty/confidence. All sorts of claims are true, regardless of whether o...
Timestamping is not used to prevent change, whether that be changes in the way things are or our knowledge about them. I suppose I'm not seeing the ne...
Your notion of "change" is untenable. I'm reminded of Heraclites' river. Change is irrelevant to JTB. At time t1(insert well-grounded true claim here)...
Personally, I find no issue between JTB and change. That's what proper indexing/timestamps are for. Gettier exposed much less familiar and/or commonly...
Clearly. Amongst other things, some consumer protection laws used to forbid predatory and other fraudulent financial business practices where otherwis...
For whatever it's worth... As a youth, I had a couple of recurring very unpleasant dreams. Someone told me that although I was sleeping, I had the abi...
Interesting that someone who purportedly does not want to "control any markets" guts legislation put in place to protect consumers from all sorts of f...
I love this thread. When I first started doing philosophy, I despised the historical uses of "necessary", because they discolored the readers' lenses,...
Interestingly enough, I agree with that. However, my reasons may differ from Rödl's, or I suppose the biggest difference may be methodological. Part o...
This has been an interesting read for me. Expressing how I see it would involve undermining the entire project. In order to do it effectively, the dis...
Yes. I deal with a number of people on a daily basis that do not seem to understand how worldviews form, grow, and evolve over time and/or how they wo...
The conversation you are currently having with Russell as well as the last few days' worth of discussion in this thread ought to make you aware. To be...
Unsurprising. I'm tired, and I may not have understood your objection in its entirety. I'm sure I do not grasp the depth of it. Nonetheless, I was ref...
Nice clarification. That helped me to understand quite a bit better how narrowly focused the scope of the claim at the heart of the OP really is. I ap...
:razz: I see. I wondered where you were headed. I didn't realize you were frolicking. Your example already showed a kind/species of thought that doesn...
:worry: The assumption of Kant's error has nothing to do with the parts you bolded. The mistake was agreeing with an error, and that agreement precede...
Thought could be any of the three, depending upon the sort/kind/type/species of thought under consideration. So, the 'cleavage' is not so much 'opposi...
Pat is correct. I know this isn't what you're after, but... The underlying issue is an historical failure to draw and maintain the distinction between...
I agree but... Where does the need for having a concept of causality come from? Again, I do not find the notion of concept to be of help. Generally sp...
Of course there is more to any thinking creature than just the recognition/attribution of causality, but it seems to me that that process, regardless ...
Recognizing that the bowl is empty is not the same as recognizing that one's own belief about food being in the bowl is false. The former is about the...
Yes. That's part of it. There's also the transition between. There are also different kinds of languages consisting of different kinds of meaningful b...
Knowing where to get food is not the same as knowing that one's own belief is false. The claim was that walking away from an empty food bowl counts as...
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