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That is false. I've been explaining throughout this thread. It might be worth stating some basics about comprehension. In order to understand an autho...

There is no meaning without something external to thought. So, if consciousness consists of thought, then there is no consciousness without something ...

What does pigeon perception consist in? What is the criterion, which - when met by a pigeon - counts as being the same case of perceptual discriminati...

Of course it entails perception. However, it seems apparent that you and I have incommensurate notions regarding what counts as perception. I've been ...

The point of the research isn't proven. The evidence doesn't warrant such a conclusion. Thus, you're overstating the case. Pigeons aren't recognizing ...

That does not follow from anything within those snippets. If I ignore the language used to describe the pigeon behaviour and grant that the pigeon lea...

Or you could always just willfully neglect to directly answer germane questions, in lieu of some fallacious answer or another. That's unacceptable. Of...

So, then, make yourself clear. Higher level than what, exactly? What does pigeon perception consist in? What is the criterion, which - when met by a p...

emphasis mine

The following bit garners my attention, and has for quite some time... ...'what makes us perceive how we perceive and how do we perceive?'

Nice post fdrake... I miss your ultimate warrior avatar! ;)

Sure. We can say that a pigeon perceives precisely the same way that humans do. We can also offer adequate justificatory ground for doing so, by virtu...

Cool. I just checked that site out and my computer crashed. Probably a coincidence, but I'm unwilling to try again. What feature (or physical property...

Ok. I had always worked under the assumption that all binary code (Boolean logic) consists of true 'statements'. You're denying that? Right?

Looks like basic or Q-basic or something similar... So, the computer prints "Here kitty, kitty." whenever 'it is shown' a catlike image and it is able...

Are you Marchesk or are you referencing something other than yourself by virtue of using "Marchesk"?

Yeah, that's what I thought. Aren't all lines of binary code basically true 'statements'?

There definitely needs to be some meaningful and clear distinctions drawn and maintained between perception and conception, amongst all sorts of other...

As a stand in for all sorts of things from rudimentary seeing and hearing to complex linguistic conceptions... Poorly.

That's the sort of stuff that needs unpacking and/or explained March...

Hey March. I just want to point something out, just in case you've not noted it. Pay very close attention to how the term "perception" is being used i...

You said that pigeons can make the same perceptual discrimination as humans after saying that "...perception involves being able to see "that cat ther...

Seems to me that both sides are wrong for the same reason. They both work from an impoverished language 'game'(linguistic framework). The point about ...

Pigeon perception is not linguistically scaffolded. They have no concept of "cat". You need to sort out the incoherence and/or equivocation in your us...

I'm articulating what thought/belief consists in/of. The scope of what I'm putting forth couldn't be broader, so it would rightfully apply to knowledg...

What then did you mean by "perception" in the first quote above?

Only if it generates an idea that mediates the physiological sensory perception itself... Doing that first requires becoming aware of such a thing. La...

I'm a realist who argues in favor of direct physiological sensory perception. I'm not sure if I'd say/argue that direct perception requires awareness ...

I bolded and underlined the bit above relevant to your query, I think...

Yeah, I mean because that's what we have direct access to as compared/contrasted/opposed to our own selves... What on earth are you talking about?

What then did you mean by "perception" in the first quote above?

Do you agree?

Physiological sensory perception is prior to language on my view.

Perhaps not, but one could easily provide solid justificatory ground for talking about how mediating psychological machinery is existentially continge...

Would you agree that when a sincere speaker states "X", that s/he thinks/believes that "X" is true; that "X" is the case at hand; that "X" is the way ...

The wiki article offers a version of direct realism that is indistinct from naive realism... :-O That's a pretty sad basis to start critiquing a robus...

I said that they're related on my view. However, I wouldn't say that "there's a correlation between correlation and correspondence", because it would ...

False grounds Jeep. Related, but certainly not equivalent.

The self-imposed bewitchment of inadequate language use...

Well, being contrary to the way things are is being wrong. One who doesn't acknowledge the relativity of simultaneity cannot account for how simultane...

What are you denying Meta? That A and B are simultaneous for Angie, or that A and B are not simultaneous for Beth?

It is a fact that A and B can be and/or are simultaneous for Angie but not Beth. That has to do with the difference between the speed of sound and the...

The sense that is relevant here is the sense of "simultaneous"...

Some folk do not remember dreams...

If meaning is social then so too is language. If language is the basis for individuality, then individuality has a social basis. I think that that or ...

Some context ought help matters out here... Let A be a gun being fired at night. Let B be the gunfire making a sound. Angie is within 5 feet of the gu...

I don't think that you're applying an understanding of Einstein's paper Meta. ON THE ELECTRODYNAMICS OF MOVING BODIES

Correspondence is another topic in it's own right Jeep. We've been over this many times before as well. In fact, on the old forum, you once(during our...

One can always say that a valid argument begs the question... that's not convincing, nor is it always a case of actual question-begging.

What I have offered is the strongest justificatory ground possible for an argument about an external world. What follows immediately below may be easi...