creativesoul

We say we're looking at a tree, because that's what we're doing.

Even if that entity appears differently to others? Doesn't the tree appear to others?

Funny. No one has said any of that. Can you explain by referencing what is actually being discussed?

Well both cases use a sense that I do not. So, there are at least three at work... It is impossible to have any idea at all about 'appearances' in the...

You tell me. My point is that the sense of 'tree' that refers to our experience is naming our experience. The sense of 'tree' that names what we're lo...

You have this the wrong way around, as far as existential contingency goes. The sense I'm using when a say 'tree' is not an idea of identical object. ...

Are we debating whether the people we see on TV are mental constructs of people on TV? My point is that the sense of 'tree' that refers to our experie...

One sense of 'tree' refers to the tree, the other refers to appearance/experience of the tree. So, what happens when we dispense with the one that ref...

Or both...

Equivocation is at hand...

If I can simultaneously a.) recall kicking a rock years ago and the sharp pain that immediately resulted, b.) see the rock in front of me, c.) feel th...

Was Quine or Hume pragmatic? Seems both said much the same thing.

We all do.

But Marchesk... That example poses very significant real problems for the notions of perception and experience both. Agree?

I'm not so sure of that. I mean, I do not think that most disagreements(here on this thread) are a result of incompatible senses being used on 'opposi...

I kicked a rock and stubbed my toe. My toe hurt as a result. There was a sharp pain in my toe. I broke it. Years later, when certain meteorological co...

I was thinking more along the lines of growing in complexity... A good starting point. Set all kinds out. Isolate common denominators that remain exta...

There we go... kinds of experience. Is experience something that 'exists' regardless of whether or not the agent is aware of it, or must the agent be ...

The more you say about the tree the more likely you are to say something about it that isn't true.

That's a tree. How much more precise can it get? Which part misses the mark?

I still suspect that we're not as far apart as you may think. I'll take the time to set out the ways in which my position is compatible with Witt's no...

So perception is not equivalent to experience.

I'm not sure what the point is. My position has thought/belief at it's basis. Is experience something that 'exists' regardless of whether or not the a...

Perception and experience in the sense Marchesk put forth are a catch-all for everything and anything mental...

I tend to think that when I kick a rock, my toe hurts, and my experience is constituted solely by virtue of the associations/correlations drawn. For m...

Well then it would only follow that paying attention is required for perception. Unpacking what counts as paying attention will get quite hairy. Ditch...

Experience has agency?

Get into it... :)

Trying to understand is an experience.

What if I punch myself? Is that perception? How does it differ from kicking a rock? Am I beholding a mental construct of myself? Am I experiencing mys...

Feeling is not perceiving?

I can feel the floor under my feet as we speak.

That's interesting... My toe is most certainly a part of my physiological sensory perception. If I see with my eyes, why don't I feel with my toe?

Does my toe perceive itself kicking the rock?

I'm perceiving kicking the rock?

That all depends upon how the person talks about it.

Can I stub my toe on a virtual rock?

I'm experiencing pain when I stub my toe on a rock. Seems you want to say that I'm experiencing the rock.

I can perceive the texture and contours of a coffee tree while closing my eyes and beholding a mental construct of(imagining) an oak.

I can perceive the texture and contour of the chair with my eyes closed while imagining a tree.

I stub my toe and have a pain in my foot, not my head. Does that count as perceiving the chair?

What counts as perception?

You claimed proof. Show me...

Show me...

Murder is wrongful killing by definition.

I reject the conventional definition of morality(as a code of conduct). I also reject the objective/subjective distinction, as you already know...

That's ethics, and again those are not objective. Rather they are subject to historical, familial, and cultural particulars. Attempted murder is punis...

Doing something other than what one was told to do(in the case of Adam and Eve) was evil prior to their becoming aware of it. God is the arbiter of go...

An evil act is evil regardless of whether or not you know it. Thus, one can intend to act in an evil way without knowing that it is evil.

All codes of conduct are man-made. If morality is a code of conduct, then all morality is man-made. Universal and objective are not equivalent on my v...