creativesoul

'Appears to have been selected from a range of choices' is not adequate for having been. Being moral as a result of being selected from a range of cho...

Where does morality come from? That's the question. Morality, as it is currently defined in academia, is a term used in order to talk about either cur...

I think you've missed the point, but maybe not. I may be missing yours. I think we're close, regardless... I'll try explaining it another way. I'm not...

It points out that either being moral is wholly determined by what we say it is, or we can get it wrong. If you do not see the significance of that, I...

One behaviour(doing A) of group X mutually benefits everyone in group X while harming everyone in group Y. Doing A is not moral. Otherwise, you've jus...

That's not precisely what I said. Morality is ruled based. Behaving morally is only to do with following the moral rules. Behaving morally is not mora...

Admitting ad hoc isn't compelling you know. X-)

That's not what I said, nor does it follow from what I've said. I said that acting morally requires thinking morally. The problem here is clear. Eithe...

I'm reminded of Sheryl Crow here... It's not getting what you want, it's wanting what you have...

So, to be clear, according to you:One can rape pillage and plunder another group, so long as they do not have an agreement that stops them from doing ...

Some laws are immoral. Laws and morality are not equivalent.

Rubbish. I can look at the agreement between certain American settlers and certain native American tribes and clearly know that the agreement was mani...

Tricking someone into an agreement is immoral. Forcing someone into an agreement is immoral.

Two groups of people agree to obtain another groups natural resources. The two groups know the financial value/worth of those resources, but the group...

What's at stake here is the difference between being moral and being called so. I'm charging Vagabond with calling Virgil's actions moral and confusin...

So, one person can simply do whatever s/he chooses to do to another and it would not be right nor wrong - so long as there is no agreement? Rubbish.

Nah. I cannot equate the two. Agreements can be immoral.

It's not at all trivial though. Everything we say is semantic, or at least relies on semantics. If following the rules does not require knowing them, ...

Didn't you just claim that one can accidentally act morally? If you cannot see how that shows that sentience and choice making isn't required for acti...

Oh, but it's not. If Virgil can accidentally act morally then having sentience and/or decision making ability to do what's moral is unnecessary for ac...

Animals cannot tell us what's going on inside their minds. In order to do that, there must be shared meaning, a common language. I think we agree on t...

It can be. Adopting one's first worldview is not voluntarily done. It's part and parcel of language acquisition, and it comes replete with morality. O...

One's first moral code is entirely adopted. That holds good for everyone regardless of individual particulars. Anyone here who denies that?

Morality is rule based. That's just the way it is. Look around the world and you'll find that that's the case everywhere. Morality is always about wha...

That's just not true on it's face. Everyday facts show otherwise. The position you're arguing for uses the notion of mental ongoings being inaccessibl...

So, Jack has true belief but he cannot believe that has has true belief, for he has no language. Language is necessary for thinking about one's own th...

We understand another as a direct result of drawing the same or similar enough correlations between language use, what's being talked about, and/or ou...

That's odd, because not only do I agree, I'm arguing for the same assertion/conclusion. So we agree that in order for Jack to believe that he has true...

Where you take note of the differences, I note the similarity. Mental correlations. The point I'm making is that if true belief is prior to language, ...

Interesting point to make, but I find it irrelevant, and based upon dubious presupposition. It presupposes either that common language is necessary fo...

Does Jack, your cat, believe that he has true beliefs? I would say that that is not possible for Jack. He does not possess the complexity of thought a...

Of course. At least, I think so...

Moral codes are not always voluntarily agreed upon. In fact, one's first moral code is entirely adopted. That holds good for everyone regardless of in...

We're both grown-ups.

If Jack holds true belief, he has formed it by virtue of connecting himself to reality. Right? Either there is true belief without truth, or truth is ...

Indeed. The content of which is always about what one considers acceptable and/or unacceptable thought, belief, and/or behaviour. Do you disagree? Thi...

You're neglecting the facts of the matter. Morality is rule based. If one follows the rules, s/he is behaving morally. Behaving in a way that does not...

You hold that Jack has true belief, right?

We most likely agree on much when it concerns statements. As you know, statements are statements of thought and belief. Because true belief is prior t...

Holding expectation is possible prior to language. When my cat comes to me expecting treats as a result of hearing the plastic treat bag rustle, she h...

What are you talking about Banno? Sometimes what is posited doesn't require our positing it in order for it to exist, as it is, prior to or discovery....

Care to tell me what my goal is? X-) The cart before the horse. Meaningful thought and belief does not require metacognition. The rules you've invoked...

And yet... you began doing it. What still lies between your twice saying that is my answer. Grown-up? Sigh.

What are you talking about? A relationship that predates language. That's what correspondence with fact is. Predicates are existentially contingent up...

What? Limiting one claim is not equivalent to limiting myself. It is what makes statements true. I didn't say only statements, nor would I

Holding expectation is possible prior to language. When my cat comes to me expecting treats as a result of hearing the plastic treat bag rustle, she h...

Sometimes what is posited doesn't require our positing it in order for it to exist, as it is, prior to or discovery. Certain relationships are such th...

Where do I lose your confidence?

I hold no firm expectations regarding this. Thank you. Rest assured, the pleasure's all mine. More bullshit. One cannot tell another's emotional state...