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I'll pause at this point, and wait for your response.

Continuing with that same disagreement, the following exchange has been revisited by you and deserves my attention, for it seems to be when misunderst...

The answer is that without a society there can be no accumulation of wealth. Those who benefit the most have the greatest debt to pay. It is that simp...

So, it seems we can isolate one primary disagreement and go from there. There's a few that need worked through. It would behoove us both, I think, to ...

Aside from times of being silly and/or facetious(which I'm certainly prone to), I typically allow someone else to pay me compliments(tell me how good,...

You may be right here. The only issue, or at least the main one, may be due to our not yet having fully developed the evolution of thought/belief from...

You've lost the distinction which began this all. Thought/belief and thinking about thought/belief. You've also rescinded the earlier agreement regard...

Descriptive accounts of acceptable/unacceptable thought, belief, and/or behaviour. The example is this discussion...

Judgment is moral thought/belief. Not all moral thought/belief is judgment. Drawing and maintaining the distinction must be part and parcel of incorpo...

It is in situations such as this that the importance of the groundwork becomes realized.

You're moving the goalposts. The new setting cannot account for uses of "moral" that do not involve judgment. All things moral are about acceptable/un...

It woud only follow from the above that there is no moral thought/belief prior to language. That conclusion is at odds with our criterion for what cou...

This conflates power and judgment. The authority has the power to write and enforce the rules of behaviour. There are plenty of examples where pupils ...

The lines become blurred as they ought in some cases. This is a good question. It is seems to be about one's own self-image though. Such struggles bet...

Indeed. So the story of societal conditioning goes. What I'm prying into is whether or not the story is worthy of assent.

But not moral judgment.

We are reviewing them now. I'm inserting them where they are applicable. The sociological factors cannot be properly accounted for by equivocating pre...

If all behaviour is judgment. It's not. It's quite a bit more nuanced than that. One can know that they do not accept another's behaviour without judg...

Some moral thought/belief is existentially dependent upon intellectual assessment. Not all. That is part of the groundwork we've already established. ...

Not all moral thought/belief is judgment. And, that didn't answer the question... What is a moral principle if not moral thought/belief? I'm strugglin...

So then you agree that not all adoption of moral principle is founded upon intellectual assessment?

There's something interesting happening here. I'm unsure where our disagreement lies regarding the above. Yet, your reply leaves me with the impressio...

I agree with everything above aside from the first claim. The adoption of moral principle can happen during language acquisition. Intellectual assessm...

If we are to take account of the societal influences upon morals, and we wish to remain coherent in our account, then that task must be commensurate w...

I'm still struggling to understand the difference between how the terms "ethical" and "moral" are being used here. That's where I'm still at. Equivoca...

Perhaps. What do the notions of relative morality and absolute morality add to the discussion? They've yet to have been breached. Perhaps it is time. ...

I would think that it is not at all impossible to do both... teach another and learn from another over the right kinds of discourse(pun intended). :ha...

If both pupil and teacher are moral agents, and it is impossible to be both ethical authority and ethical pupil at the same time, then moral agents ca...

The above takes account of some ethical authorities. Not all. Some ethical authorities do not frame ethics in terms of absolute right/wrong.

Perhaps. That distinction cannot be that one is the moral agent and the other is not. It can be the case that they are both moral agents.

I'm just trying to understand what you're referring to.

It's your distinction. I was hoping you could set it out. I'm attempting to understand what you're attempting to convey. A moral agent need not have a...

Self-deception is impossible. One cannot knowingly and deliberately misrepresent their own thought/belief to oneself. Delusion is the result of holdin...

We can call the one beset with the ethical task the "moral agent" if we are ok with sacrificing consistent terminological use. Equivocation inevitably...

Not all thinking is picturing. That's why.

Yup. As earlier. We all adopt our initial worldview replete with moral thought/belief intact.

Not all internal agitation is unacceptable. Not all intent to stoke another's moral sensibilities is unacceptable. Those would be some exceptional cas...

The earlier bit regarding the term "necessary" is just a vestige of my disdain for the historical philosophical use of the word itself. It is largely ...

I think that was earlier. My apologies for not addressing that at the time. I do remember - now that you've reminded me - wanting to flesh this out a ...

The notion of "internalize" has been invoked and subsequently discussed. On my view, it is relevant to the autonomous unconscious mental ongoings that...

Thespian for life, I suppose... :cool:

Your recent summary of merk and my discussion was spot on. The links to harvard have not worked for me. I may have misattributed meaning to your post ...

Politics=manufactured consent. :wink:

I would concur. Parents are part of the community. Usually it is the parents who are the authority, however, it is well worth noting that some cases i...

Enlightenment? You're too kind. That has yet to have been determined. :wink:

Ethical authority is the power to write and/or enforce the rules regarding what counts as acceptable/unacceptable thought, belief, and/or behaviour. T...

That was a poor rendition of the scarecrow's song on the original Wizard of Oz. A lame attempt at dismissing certain recent meanderings.

I second the need for a certain degree of robustness... explanatory power(of the particulars).

What is the term "necessary" doing here? Predicted and observed behaviour can tell us something about motivation.

I do not want to speak on behalf of praxis. I do think that the above are good questions. I'd like to offer my answers. Ask them. Listen to their answ...