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But it's not the case. "There are no objective values" is true.

If facts are true statements and there are no objective values then saying that there are no objective values is a fact. If we ought believe true stat...

The prelinguistic thought/belief about behaviour that the pre-linguistic person finds unacceptable is not based upon morality. S/he/they has/have none...

I think the below says it better...

Moral judgment. Not all judgment.

But... I don't agree with that. Not all moral thought/belief requires predication. Moral judgment requires predication(language). I've been at pains t...

Sure. Predication is a linguistic practice which draws a meaningful correlation between something and what is said about that something. Typically the...

So... Are we all in agreement that morals are existentially dependent upon common language use and/or acquisition? All morals are existentially depend...

While there is an underlying sentiment that is agreeable here, I would suggest a starkly different accounting practice; one that avoids attributing ag...

Actually, thought/belief have been set out many times over here. While it's been mostly a snippet here and there, a few posts went into greater detail...

I've no idea what you're saying here... Strictly speaking, one need not be fully embedded in cultural mores and customs in order to question them. One...

Your welcome.

Let's take a look. In order for the above to be true... One of the following would also have to be true... 1. Modes of assessment exist in their entir...

We're good. No problema. While it is true that no premise is fully immune to criticism, it is also true that not all criticism is either valid or well...

This is agreeable as well. So we are playing around with three kinds of thought/belief. Prelinguistic, linguistic pre-reflective, and linguistic refle...

Well put.

But that is just not true. I appreciate the overtly friendly discourse more than my words can probably convey. There's much to be agreed with regardin...

Yes. I would even take this a bit further and say that distinguishing between pre-linguistic thought/belief and linguistic thought/belief still isn't ...

Not all thought/belief about evolution is moral in kind. Paradox is a result of inadequate framework. No need for paradox here.

Not all moral thought/belief is morality. All morality is moral thought/belief. Not all moral thought/belief are moral principles. All moral principle...

They don't. Only rudimentary moral belief are possible(similar to Janus' "proto-morality" and some notions of "moral intuition"). Morality and morals ...

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The notion of "acceptable/unacceptable" consists of language use(thought/belief statements). As is the case with all thought/belief, thought/belief ab...

As we've discussed in past, and as I've repeated here in this thread... I'm not yet entirely sold that I have stumbled upon a basic framework that can...

Well said. Nice general outline. Also completely commensurate with what I'm attempting to establish with some common sense logical groundwork.

This needs addressed more to both of our satisfaction. Next time. Until then, just wanted to let you know that I'm working on this aspect.

When something exists prior to something else, it cannot be existentially dependent upon that something else. When something is existentially dependen...

Indeed. Our awareness of differences is heightened during conflict between opposing moral thought/belief. That is particularly the case when they've b...

Be careful here. Not all intellectual talk is to be shunned simply because it is intellectual talk. Your post, for instance... plenty intellectual wit...

Yup. The task here is taking proper account of all that. We all adopt(almost entirely) our initial original worldview, replete with morality intact. T...

I should've attended to some of the earlier posts you made. Some seemed like a misunderstanding was at work. It's nice when they work themselves out. ...

They are both names. I do not even know what it could even mean to talk about 'unifying' them. What they pick out to the exclusion of all other things...

As I said in the portion of my reply that has been left unattended... We're not even close to being there yet.

What question would you like an answer to?

Establishing a well grounded timeline of the evolution of moral thought/belief will require implementing existential dependency. It's common sense log...

Perhaps.

No. We cannot. At least not if we hold to our groundwork. All moral things are about acceptable/unacceptable thought, belief and/or behaviour. Moralit...

There has been considerable groundwork done heretofore. It stands without subsequent refutation and/or valid objection. The recent current veins of th...

I'm considering moving on without you Merk. I do not like the signs here.

:meh:

Morality is codified moral thought/belief:The rules of acceptable/unacceptable thought, belief, and/or behaviour. This is well trodden ground.

An astute reader ought already know the answer. All things called "moral" are about acceptable/unacceptable thought, belief, and/or behaviour. There a...

My question is what makes them both moral - in kind?

So all self-identity and/or self-image is drama on this rendering? All different personae are but kinds of dramatis personae.

The criterion you've put forth here cannot account for moral discourse because being moral according to your criterion requires moral judgment(approva...

Certainly applies. It's a standard. Individual situations inform the judgment. Mary's is an unknown one.

The Oracle Has Spoken... :rofl: Just friendly offerings. Do with it what you may.

Serenity comes when one changes what they can(and should), accepts what they cannot(and moves on), and knows the difference between the two. There's a...

Someone mentioned drama. Here's my down and dirty take... Shit happens. Shit happening is reality. Whether or not it is also drama depends largely upo...

Not all services rendered for monetary gain are sexual practice. Those have a certain moral/religious connotation and can result in invoking opposing ...