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Subject/object is included. Notions of perception are included. Etc. They are all fraught. Taking account of human thought/belief must take proper acc...

If you believe that your friend is moving to London because she has a job at a law firm, then the proposition "my friend is moving to London" does not...

Exactly! Propositions are. Some belief cannot be adequately accounted for and/or represented by a single proposition. That is precisely the point I'm ...

Spell it out, as you understand it.

Fair question. He waffles. A priori and a posteriori.

That's an oversimplification of what you believe. An accounting malpractice. It is the malpractice that is the problem here. You do not believe just t...

I'm asking you (not at all rhetorically) Can you believe that your wife is married to someone else based upon that argument?

What comment would you like for me to address?

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Mary is married to me. Mary isn’t married to me.

Self contradiction is not valid. It is a basic conflation of proposition and belief.

Note the difference?

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Now you're making even less sense. That belief is true. That one is false.

As I said... too much baggage. When one is talking in terms of any experience "as a projection of one's mind" one has already gotten things wrong. Kan...

Not Smith's belief...

Smith does not believe that his wife is married to someone else. We're looking at Smith's belief. Smith believes that he is the only one married to hi...

You're not making any sense. Problem solved.

Surely you're not saying otherwise?

As I said... you believe that the postman she is married to is you.

You do... but you also believe that that postman - the one that she is married to - is you... It's better to stick to Gettier's examples.

This coming from one who said "Truth is for the Pope"... Yes, you are.

Not Smith's belief. That is what the subject matter is about... belief that is justified and true. My argument here is that the belief is being misrep...

The postman that Mary is married to is me. The man with ten coins in his pocket who will get the job is me. That's what Smith believes in either situa...

I think naive realism is a name that carries along with it far too much philosophical baggage. I have no idea what this means. The phrase/simile "like...

If you go back and read the context... Merk missed the point with the comment. There is definitely a problem when people attempt to use the subject/ob...

You're attempting to dismiss, discard, and/or discount truth. That will not go unchallenged.

How much explanation is needed here? Tell a three year old that is waiting upon return that their mom is home and they'll go look to see for themselve...

Who said anything about access to truth? :brow: Access to what's happened and/or is happening is what I wrote. I added to that. It went neglected. Odd...

Math consists of symbols made meaningful solely by virtue of our attribution. Math says nothing about common parlance. All symbolic notation is existe...

All of it happens in this world. Talk of different worlds is unnecessary and confusing at best, aside from entertaining possibility, which has it's go...

I know what he means. I also know that there is no such knowledge to be had.

Is that not a problem then? Math is all about coherence.

Surrounding "quote" within brackets begins a quote box. Surrounding "/quote" within brackets ends the quote. Don't use the quotation marks. Or... Just...

Sounds like you're a mathematician... physicist or something? :smile: I reject Kant's notions of a posterior and a priori. There is no knowledge witho...

Where's the philosophy?

Nice avatar name. We'll see how well it is represented...

Godel show the that all inductive/axiomatic logic is incomplete, as you've indicated. Math is not knowledge. Math is method. May be best looked at as ...

Throw truth out the window, and you get the conditions for Trump.

Popular line of thought, but false on several levels. We have some access to what's happened and/or is happening. That's all we need(assuming a meanin...

Rubbish. We can know all sorts of provable stuff, and did, long before this school of thought you espouse was invented. I can know that I'm typing on ...

There's a certain amount of irony here. I mean do you live somewhere else, aside from the real physical world? Validity is a measure of coherency. Coh...

You'll quickly get beyond my comprehension level using such mathematical jargon. Can you make the case in plain language?

I would disagree here. Correspondence is easily provable. That's what verification/falsification methods look for.

Statements of thought/belief. That is what I'm talking about here. I'm granting all this. It's true by definition. Different animal altogether.

Therefore to hold that all belief is propositional in content is a mistake, unless one also holds that propositions are somehow existentially independ...

Regardless of what Gettier says... I disagree. We cannot know a falsehood.

I like everything I've read from and about Russell. I agree that coherence alone is inadequate/insufficient. I diverge from convention correspondence ...