creativesoul

Suit yourself. Ignorance is bliss. Laterz. I have better things to do.

Again... you're conflating implication/entailment with incompatibility.

To be clear here, I'm an agnostic on the matter of the origen of the universe. I'm also a very strong adherent of Ockham's razor and the avoidance of ...

I suggest that you first figure out what incompatibility means... then re-read what I've said.

Compatibility in the only relevant sense S. Not contradictory to science or scientific knowledge. You're conflating entailment/implication with compat...

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Not all religious belief is incompatible with science. A creator of the universe that does not interfere is perfectly compatible. Many derive such fro...

Read Spinoza's Ethics...

No. He's a behaviourist. The problem here, of course, is that behaviour is but one part of meaning, when it is, and not all behaviour is meaningful.

Sigh...

And yet a criterion for all meaning has been offered since, shortly afterward. There are no examples to the contrary. It's what all meaning has in com...

It really is an odd state of affairs when someone is doing both, engaging in a conversation regarding meaning while arguing vehemently and exclusively...

Personal taste/preference aren't that relevant here. They are one result of things becoming meaningful. Basketball is meaningful because it is existen...

I'm being reminded of apo by this sudden turn of events... this slide into rhetoric and personal insult.

You guess wrong. It's not about good/bad. It's not about morality. Red herrings aren't acceptable. Meaningless means lacking meaning. Meaningless thin...

The topic is meaning. The contention is whether or not math is meaningful. You've argued in the negative. I'm arguing in the affirmative. Numbers refe...

It's not about good/bad. It's about what all attribution of meaning takes. It's about what being meaningful takes. It's about how math emerged onto th...

It seems the ad hom charge does stick... :wink:

I think that you're mistaken on several levels here. There are many meaningful terms within the defining vocabulary of natural languages that do not h...

Revisit the ancient texts thread.

Evidently we've two different ideas regarding what it takes for one position to effectively exhaust another... It's a matter of explanatory power. Off...

Is being nonterminal equivalent to being meaningless?

Are symbols meaningless?

Nice. Expectation is the result of forming and re-forming thought/belief. Hume's bit on the so-called fallacy of induction, if taken to heart by one w...

The accepted personification pervading some of this thread's discussion about things that have no thought/belief baffles me. As if a plurality were ca...

You know where I stand on ancient texts.

Interesting that you find what I've put forth as incompatible with those views. By my lights it exhausts them and the older notions alike.

We can.

You're leading that dance.

Hegel or Heiddy? Dasein or desein? What do you mean here? :wink:

It's been adequately defined since. Does that not matter here? Does that change not alter the degree of frustration you had prior to it?

Not at all. We're accounting for it wrong.

I would argue that all representation is meaningful. How it becomes and continues to be meaningful is set out in the OP. We could get into that farthe...

Well played. I realized that that ad hom charge may not have stuck after I posted.

An odd agreement given that I've offered an adequate criterion(definition if you like) for all meaning.

You can get into whatever you like as long as it's relevance to meaning is clearly stated. On an aside, I deny knowledge of future events altogether. ...

I would disagree with the claim that only words have meaning.

One can be both certain and wrong. If knowledge was equivalent to 'degree of confidence in the results of potential action', all knowledge would requi...

Don't drink the water...

The bootstrap analogy is old and tired. We can use language as a means for knowing about all sorts of stuff that is not existentially dependent upon l...

Got one?

I want you to feast your eyes upon a wonderful three course dinner. A wonderfully tasty ego boost called "personal attack" gets the rhetorical palate ...

By definition none the less. Thinking of apples... What are the requirements, the necessary pre-requisites, the sufficient pre-conditions... What must...

A definition of "meaning" is - I suppose - what you're seeking from me. Fair request. The best I can offer is what all attribution of meaning consists...

What is math about then, if not quantities?

Being devoid of semantics is being devoid of theory of meaning, it is not being devoid of meaning.

That's just not true... Math is clearly meaningful. Arriving at a conclusion that says otherwise just shows how far off the rails one's thought/belief...

Republican elected officials act more like bots than people. It is quite clear that they are all on the same page. I wonder who writes that script?

Tried copy/paste the url. No can do. Tried what you just suggested. Same result.

For whatever reason(ancient corrupted laptop) I cannot access the links you've been providing. Could you provide germane excerpts? I'm curious to see ...