Down The Rabbit Hole

Bloody asymmetry! :lol: Would you say the violation occurs, with the act that gives rise to a birth, or the birth itself? And an example demonstrating...

The flow is experienced in sports and video games when the task is not too easy or too difficult. I guess the concentration in trying to achieve somet...

I was showing the lack of freedom in the unborn. As I have already acknowledged, the unborn are being forced into existence, but in the alternative th...

I'll go with a dictionary definition: "the power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants". I don't think this is abundant in the unborn. I reall...

People have been forced into a game when they had no choice but to have been put there - so, yes, birth has forced people into life. I don't think thi...

I think you are right. Moral nihilism has a bad reputation, but isn't that what we are espousing? "Moral nihilism is the meta-ethical view that nothin...

The planning and introspective type behaviour is evidence of consciousness, especially in light of the fact non-human animals have brains which are us...

I don't think it is because of prejudice that we believe animals to be conscious but not the rest of nature. It's the evidence, that non-human animals...

:chin: Is it that there is no correct answer? Or we just can't prove it to each other?

I haven't seen anything about contraceptives increasing the risk of vaccines. Maybe @"baker" can give us a link or two. Have you seen our chief medica...

There are a few serious side effects, most notoriously the blood clots that in "Some cases were life-threatening or had a fatal outcome", according to...

I was responding directly to your comments to the effect that "consequentialism is obviously wrong", "consequentialism is false", and consequentialist...

I don't see how your intuitions prove something to be morally correct or incorrect. You can't just say intuitions prove morality, without giving reaso...

The violinist example may result in more suffering by remaining connected for the 9 months. I think a clearer example is the trolley problem, with peo...

People believe the minority that live a life of suffering are a reasonable sacrifice for everything else life has to offer. Have you heard of The Ones...

Considering your views, for example that our parents should pay for us for the rest of our lives without us ever having to work, I take it you accept ...

I think your explanations are correct. A non-consequentialist would see things as good and bad in and of themselves, whereas a consequentialist would ...

That seems right. Take the US' Right to Bear Arms. Does this Right take precedence over the consequences? Although I'm a Brit, I think almost everyone...

I used to have deontological views when I was a teenager, but now have pure consequentialist views. Consequentialism seems more scientific and less ar...

Consequentialism just seems more down to earth to me; it is the way we do science after all. It seems too arbitrary picking values and how they compet...

For me it is all about the consequences. I take it you believe there are rights that should be respected, in spite of the consequences? As my ethics a...

I thought that would be the hardest read, but it's pretty understandable if you slow down and take your time with it. I'm at page 100, having a break ...

Went way over my head, especially with all the math. I remember seeing reviews on Amazon before someone got me the book, from professors etc, saying t...

Philosophical Perspectives on Infinity by Graham Oppy

I was making the case, relying on the eternity of heaven. Which I think @"SolarWind" has defeated. If heaven is actually infinitely good, say for exam...

I concede you are right. At every stage as we progress towards infinity, the earthly suffering we experienced leaves an (increasingly infinitesimal) d...

The end result is the ultimate consequence.

I should have noticed sooner, but my argument only works from a consequentialist point of view. If good and bad can only be judged by the end result, ...

Yes, I don't think any finite offences deserve infinite suffering, and non-human animals are not supposed to go to heaven, so all of their sufferings ...

No, the omelette is the consequences in the analogy. God's actions brought about the consequences.

Right, and arguments have proponents, which seemed to confuse you here: You know that's not true. I've clearly stated multiple times that The Problem ...

It means it's no surprise that you insist The Problem of Evil is (as a matter of fact) a problem as opposed to leaving it more humbly as an argument t...

Says you, a proponent of The Problem of Evil. Consequentialism is defined as "the doctrine that the morality of an action is to be judged solely by it...

Yes, those that advocate The Problem of Evil. Your example of puppy births is not fair, as it suggests some gain at the expense of another. This is no...

I think the Problem of Evil persists, bearing in mind the flipside - the eternal suffering in hell (which is never just punishment for finite offences...

I'm pretty sure I understand what you're saying - that even if the bad is made up for, it still technically exists? I think where we disagree is you w...

My case is built upon the premise that the good can make up for the "bad". The suffering for all intents and purposes will not exist. My case is built...

All that matters is the good goes on forever. You are effectively saying things are intrinsically bad. I think when most people give standard examples...

It is similar to Pascal's Wager as far as the impact of adding infinities. For the math to get you there you do first have to accept that "good" can m...

There Is a God by Antony Flew

Grows to more than infinity? It does seem intuitive that a good-god would not allow this, but the logic and math show otherwise. As long as you accept...

Why is "b+" better than "b"? A better life can't make up for all the hard work in getting there? God and heaven exists outside of this universe, so th...

The arbitrariness of it? Your proposed alternative "No evil but finite good" is explained away by the all-loving god wanting what's best for us, and a...

You accept that good can make up for the bad? In the case of the eternal good of the afterlife, infinitely so? I don't think we can call things evil i...

I think philosophical pessimism is a rational response to the horrors of reality. Nihilism, the view that nothing matters, can't be correct if there a...

I said that "harm" will not have existed for all practical purposes. I wouldn't call things evil if they have no practical application.

Is your argument effectively the same as @"InPitzotl"'s? I think it's perfectly benevolent to allow harm that for all practical purposes will not have...

So you're saying that (1) even though the evil would be made up for with the infinite good of the afterlife, the evil still existed (2) which is incom...

If one believes no amount of good can make up for the bad. What arguments are left for natalism? It is a common argument that an all-loving all-powerf...

If that puppy that burned in a house received an eternity of bliss would this make up for it? If your answer is no, is this because the suffering it e...