Seems to me that science has always claimed to see the world from a God's eye view, from the outside, whether or not it was expected a God was there t...
Random - Of or characterizing a process of selection in which each item of a set has an equal probability of being chosen. I don't see why that implie...
"Empirical" predictability - billiard balls. Probabilistic predictability - coin flips Only in the sense everything only exists in the human mind as i...
Whether or not we are leaving "the age of mechanism" I don't think there's any reason to throw out the scientific baby with the bathwater. Or is it th...
That's not what I meant. I was trying to say that I don't think science needs determinism as defined in the OP conceptually in order continue successf...
Free will and determinism get discussed frequently here on the forum. I don't think I've ever seen the issues laid out better and more clearly than yo...
I agree with both statements. Causal determinism is the concept that is being examined in this thread. Do you think science will fall apart without it...
Here's what you wrote: I don't see how our confidence that mead won't spontaneously turn into petroleum has anything to do with determinism as we are ...
Thanks for the clarification. I think I understand what you're trying to say and I agree up to a point. I guess it all comes back to The substance of ...
I think I understand what you're saying and I think I agree with you. Could you clarify a bit for someone barely literate in probability and statistic...
Two problems with this. 1) I'm talking about physical determinism, you're talking about logical determinism. Not the same thing at all. 2) I've made i...
Again, my only point in this regard is that some believe QM is deterministic. I have no position on any of those arguments. My position is that since ...
Agreed. Just to be clear, you are referring to metaphysical and epistemological truths, is that correct? If so, then yes, it's a matter of preference ...
I think I agree with your interpretation but, again, it doesn't have any impact on my position. It's just another example of the case I am trying to m...
I didn't say it wasn't relevant, I said that, as I understand it, QM is considered deterministic. I just went and looked on the web. Apparently that i...
I've said this several times previously in this thread - this is a metaphysical/epistemological issue. There is no proving required. It's a question o...
It tells me that, if I bet $1.00 on the fair coin, the expected value of the bet for me is $1.00. If I bet on the unfair coin and I call heads, the ex...
Which brings us back to the point I've been trying to make. In sufficiently complex systems, which are not all that complex, (1) and (2) are not human...
Actually, if I flip a coin 1,000 times, it's unlikely that exactly 50% of the flips will be heads. It is certain, though, that if I flip 1,000 times a...
As I've said, there are times when knowing all relevant information isn't possible, even in theory. Even if it were possible, that information would a...
That quote was from the journal paper Wittgenstein linked me to. I wasn't trying to make a point by using that word. If it confuses things, we can jus...
Yes, I agree completely. "You can say that, but there is nothing stopping people speculating.." Sounds like a definition of "philosophy" to me. I say ...
That was one of the points I was trying to make. In my opinion if something is so difficult to predict that it is and will never be possible to do so,...
I don't think I was clear enough. AUP doesn't seem "wrong intuitively" to me, I just don't think it changes my argument. As I said, it seems to me it'...
I don't think that is the reason predictability and determinism are assumed to be equivalent. I think they genuinely are, in all meaningful ways, equi...
When I look at the definitions of determinism above, it seems to me it's talking about, not the ability to predict that after 1,000 throws there will ...
Just to be clear, I disagree with the quote you attributed to me. That's not my position, it's the position of the paper I referenced. It seems you're...
One of the reasons I didn't like the article you linked to was how poorly I thought it described the issues you are talking about above. I guess the p...
In another thread, @"Wayfarer" recommended the following book - Baggott, Jim. Farewell to Reality: How Modern Physics Has Betrayed the Search for Scie...
I get the feeling I've stepped off a cliff with this statement. On the forum, unlike in roadrunner cartoons, I have time to step back before I fall. I...
To a certain extent. Actually, his name comes up a lot when you type "determinism vs. predictability" on the web. How is he specifically relevant? We'...
In the past I've said that epistemology belongs as part of metaphysics along with ontology. Actually, at heart, when I say that there's no difference ...
OP Part 2 First, some definitions. Here are some definitions of “determinism” from various places: This is from the article Wittgenstein linked to - “...
I liked the article too. I had never heard of Peirce until I watched the Bryan Magee interview on American pragmatists. @"jamalrob" linked to the Mage...
I think this a valuable way of looking at things, but most people don’t. I wouldn’t call it “relativistic” though. I think it’s the least relativistic...
Christians certainly believe that God existed before their religion did. He created the world. If you don't believe that, you're not really a Christia...
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