Luke

Not avoidance, clarification. You accuse me of a loaded question. I never posed the question. Get your facts straight. Then sensations are private? Ot...

It’s a question, but I didn’t ask it, you did.

More accurately, private sensations (represented by Wittgenstein’s beetle) are “not a Something, but not a Nothing either.” Yeah, I don’t see how. To ...

I know which feelings are associated with 'pain' because I was taught the language and the use of the word. But I can't be sure that other people have...

How do you know that the experiences you have when you injure yourself are the same as everyone else's experiences when they use the word "pain"? I ac...

Isn't neural activity some set of physical behaviour(s) of the human body? I'm hoping to avoid putting a label on the mind-body relationship, if possi...

Neuroscience, like language, cannot get at the feeling itself; it can only work with the behaviours. I don't see how this follows. The sufficiently ad...

Fair enough, maybe "physical reaction" was not an apt description. Perhaps "physical manifestation of pain" might be better. However, I was attempting...

The word "bicycle" denotes the class; my bicycle (or any particular bicycle) is an instance of that class. This shouldn't be difficult.

I don't think a token is an experience. To repeat: "The type–token distinction is the difference between naming a class (type) of objects and naming t...

I'm under the impression that you do not understand the type-token distinction. I agree that the first "Rose" in the sentence is one of three tokens o...

Yes, two experiences. This was in response to what Khaled said: "You can define it so that that is the same experience token or not." We were talking ...

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Yes, we both saw different screens, but I thought Banno's point was supposed to be that both of us seeing the same word "Rose" is one token, not two. ...

No, Banno is here next to me. :razz:

We both saw it and each had our own individual experiences of it. I wouldn't say we each saw a separate token. We both saw the same word. It's our per...

Explain to me how this relates to what I said. How could I possibly be saying there are two tokens in "Rose is a rose is a rose" when I never referred...

Why the fuck would you think I was referring to the number of tokens in "Rose is a rose is a rose"? I was clearly referring to Khaled's example that I...

If there are two of them, then they are not the same token, they are the same type.

I can't understand your one word responses. If you're saying that there was only one token in this scenario and that Salinas and his patient shared th...

Why?

The same type or the same token? Didn't Salinas and the patient each experience their own tokens of pain? Were there two tokens here (one each) or onl...

Is there a reason you did not respond to my latest post? Oh well, never mind. This confusion seems to me easily resolved by maintaining the distinctio...

None. I just added it in to emphasise what I took you to be rejecting.

You're saying that pain is not a property of me. But aren't my pains a property of me? I have them. Otherwise, pain is not a property of anybody, so w...

Then what is it a property of? We haven't "shared" the feeling in that we both partake of the same feeling. I have my feeling and you have yours, even...

It seems to run afoul of your earlier complaint, since it implies that you experience "the whole world at once". What relationship is there between "t...

It didn't make much sense to me either, but I was trying to make sense of this: You call your experience the world? Are you a solipsist, then?

Feelings are intrinsically private and unshareable only in the sense that I can't have yours and you can't have mine. But feelings are also non-intrin...

So, you experience but you don’t have experiences. I don’t understand the distinction. Your experience is the world, or is of the world?

Mustn’t my experience of red (as a non-colourblind person) and your friend’s experience of red be different, just as they would be different if your f...

I've said from the outset that subjectivity has both private and public aspects. On reflection, though, perhaps it should be that subjectivity has bot...

In the relevant Wittgensteinian sense, there could be something publicly shareable, in principle, which is entirely subjective. There are such things,...

I don't see why having "an experience of red" necessarily implies "seeing just the one colour over your entire visual field". Therefore, I still don't...

Not that I can recall, no. Why do you ask?

What’s the difference?

I can't have your (subjective) pains because you and I are different people, but that doesn't mean your pains are necessarily private.

How can we "compare subjectivities" if, as per you original claim "Subjectivity is a social construct; subjectivity is intersubjective"? If subjectivi...

That wasn't my argument. I suggested that a mental health professional might disagree with you if, as you stated, you were to think that you didn't ha...

Only if "subjective" and "person(hood)" are the same word. Anyway, so what if it's circular? My point wasn't to define subjectivity, only to point out...

No, because I’m not saying that pain must be private. You were pressing me to explain why pains are subjective but noses are not. I offered an explana...

I consider subjectivity to be somewhat synonymous with personhood and its traits, such as conscious awareness, rational thought, sensory perception, a...

We don't say that I can only have my phone and you can only have yours, either.

I'm not talking about differences between your pain and my pain as though I were disputing the meaning of the word "pain". I'm pointing out what I tak...

If we agree that we cannot experience each other's pain, then it is our agreement about the proposition which is intersubjective, not our experiences ...

Where did I define pain as a private sensation? All I've said is that we each have our own. Even if I were to define pain as a private sensation, how ...

I’ve already explained why that fails:

You’re nonplussed and were expecting something else, but I’m making it about me? My argument stands if you ever want to try and counter it. Other peop...

How are mirror neurons relevant to each of us having our own individual pains? Do you want to argue that we don’t? Or that it’s not subjective? I mean...

In terms of subjectivity? Yes. Suppose Banno had to invent a fanciful hypothesis to avoid my argument. Unless we were one and the same person in this ...