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Hey Frank, hows it going ? You still banging the drum ?

It was aimed at anyone interested to read it or care about it, or not. By your last comment, very well then, we agree.

I disagree as the law of Cause and Effect doesn't put two causes into effect at the same time (that would be non sense). Not least because the cause m...

In the mothers womb, there is "no thing" but your self. Existence, but without essence. So I agree, the order is most certainly in the order. Darkness...

You're still using the reductionism of logic. It sounds like you are trying to "re-define" belief to be something that it isn't, then trying to fit it...

And that's a good thing, because instead more people are charitable. Problem solving, especially when it is aimed at the outside world, is fraught wit...

If you say that "love" is simply "love", be it directed towards oneself or towards others then it makes it a little easier to work with and see. We li...

I must say I'm inclined to agree with you. I refer this to being the "voice of reason" in our heads. Sure, we can use that same voice to apply logic a...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eristic

Please expand?

Or perhaps, contradiction only appears unresolved within logic. Reason, however, can rise above and incorporate the contradiction into a unity (like b...

Yes, it is definitely possible, but fraught with error and traps. Hence the better method, also proclaimed by Jesus, is "To love your neighbour before...

The first principle could be dialectic debate (Socratic dialogues) aiming at unity of the subjects, Arithmetic, Geometry, Solid geometry, Astronomy an...

You would do well to read Plato - Republic, specifically Book VII. Extract: BOOK VII And now, I said, let me show in a figure how far our nature is en...

It wasn't paraphrased, but I did forget the reference. My apologies. NIV Hebrews 10: 26-27. I feel I may have caused confusion, so here's the full par...

I wasn't trying to offend, I stated it came from the bible so that it was clear. If it's not helpful, by all means ignore it. I believe you have just ...

I won't pretend to be able to follow that as it seems rather complicated in terms. The blind are not particularly good guides for the blind. As I said...

Perhaps your confusing religion with faith.

Very good, got to hand it to those Jedi's!

Hi Frank, still at it I see. I found this in the bible this morning and thought it might be helpful... "If we deliberately keep on sinning after we ha...

Thats fair, so the logically illiterate and the experts are opposite ends of the spectum, meaning everyone. And i agree, but maybe its over complicate...

That sounds like a very nice comparison. So we were perfectly capable before logic was invented.

Ok so that I'm clear on this, what we are really describing by "application" is expression. And describing "formal study" is definition. If so, then w...

I would have to agree :) Everything I have seen gravitates to (or is attracted to) that of the same vibration. This is sort of like a universal guidin...

You give too much credit, I'm just a simple person and as such am prone to error like anyone else, so I state this from the off so people don't mistak...

Now there is a reasonable view point. If God by its very nature incorporates the entire thing, then yes, God must incorporate both. The real question ...

The corona virus and it's effect on the markets is a question of "good timing". The economy was in trouble before the corona virus started as the acti...

I've been looking at this recently but from a different perspective and what I saw still shocks me now. Sartre could see the effect of the issue but I...

I'm possibly being simple here but there are fundamental differences between reason and logic. For instance, logic say, A = B, therefore B = A Logical...

How about this now, The position of the Agnostic / Antagonist = Logic is God or I am God if I win the arguement (faithlessness).

Thanks very much for the help on this, I've update the 3rd position with a little more description as the Agnostic is very much the "antagonist" which...

Yes. You only need one tool to work this out, its called, "Reason". Not to be confused with "logic" which has little hope of helping you out. Sorry, I...

If you remove "logic" you are left with "reason". Everything in life is simple, just like me.

Okay, so the agnostics position ultimately had to end as it has. And I will tell you, using reason, why this is the case. I'm calling in the scientist...

Cause and effect says, one thing follows another, not two things. Intuition doesnt need to be involved at all. Reason comes before logic, thats it.

Could you expand on this a little? You see, being careful with this and scientific, we cannot get to an "idea" of God, because we haven't yet establis...

If we use cause and effect to make sure we maintain order, then the correct order is thus, unless I'm being stupid... Intuition which cannot be define...

Excellent. Im not really sure what you mean by this, but i promise to remain neutral so i have a chance of learning your point of view. I wont be too ...

Yes maybe so I'm sure but i can be an asshole like everyone at times. So are you ready to carry on ?

Ok, so again its reasonable to say, if reason were a branch on a tree, and logic a sub branch of that tree and i cut off the branch of reason, the bra...

Sorry, again, this looks like the cart is before the horse again. Surely, its the other way around? Those who have lost reason, but still maintain log...

Thank you, I'll take a look at that. So I could also write this as, "Reason was the cause, that gave rise to the effect of Logic". ? And if there was ...

Ok, that's good. So I could reasonably say, "Reason was used to create logic by the Ancient Greeks". Or put another way, Reason gave birth to Logic.

But if reason came before logic, then reason does not need logic in order to be? Again, sort of putting the cart before the horse. Forgive my ignoranc...

Ok, so method, outcome. Or perhaps the same as saying, "Cause" reason, "Effect" logic. ? I'm trying to understand order, or sequence in this. Sorry, I...

Sorry, started new thread rather than hijack yours, my apologies.

Could you expand on this a little? You see, being careful with this and scientific, we cannot get to an "idea" of God, because we haven't yet establis...

Whether there is one, or more than one, will still firmly sit in the "exists" camp, if we can agree that? No problem, there's my stupidity again. I've...

I do not know if gods exist or not; I do no know if gods exist I do not know if gods don't exist I see no reason to suspect gods CANNOT EXIST...that t...

Is there any chance of re-writing these principles in singular form, for the sake of ease? If not, we'll work with what we have.